Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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Yeah, I know these are great engines, but I haven't actually bought them yet. My question is: Do you guys think that their playing styles/strengths are different enough from other engines (like Rybka, Firebird/Ivanhoe, Stockfish, HIARCS, Shredder, and Junior) that they would be worth purchasing?

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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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alpha123 wrote:Yeah, I know these are great engines, but I haven't actually bought them yet. My question is: Do you guys think that their playing styles/strengths are different enough from other engines (like Rybka, Firebird/Ivanhoe, Stockfish, HIARCS, Shredder, and Junior) that they would be worth purchasing?

Thanks,
Peter

I held off on purchasing Naum for a long time. I recently purchased the new 4.1 and am really happy with it's analysis. I think it and Shredder are similar in style but with Shredder you also get the gui etc. etc.

Zappa is cool but since it is no longer in current development it might not be completely worth the purchase price. But it is a great engine and it does pick different moves from time to time.
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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tomgdrums wrote:
alpha123 wrote:Yeah, I know these are great engines, but I haven't actually bought them yet. My question is: Do you guys think that their playing styles/strengths are different enough from other engines (like Rybka, Firebird/Ivanhoe, Stockfish, HIARCS, Shredder, and Junior) that they would be worth purchasing?

Thanks,
Peter

I held off on purchasing Naum for a long time. I recently purchased the new 4.1 and am really happy with it's analysis. I think it and Shredder are similar in style but with Shredder you also get the gui etc. etc.

Zappa is cool but since it is no longer in current development it might not be completely worth the purchase price. But it is a great engine and it does pick different moves from time to time.
Thank you. I will consider that.

Thanks,
Peter
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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Naum has a very nice style of play. It is positionally aggressive and is not afraid to advance the pawn shelter in front of its king in order to apply a bind.

You'll only get full advantage from Zappa if your hardware is good. It's fallen off the pace from the top engines in terms of strength.

If I advised you to purchase either, I'd be accused of commercial exhortation. :wink:

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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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Graham Banks wrote:If I advised you to purchase either, I'd be accused of commercial exhortation. :wink:
I say let them call you an exhorter. Just don't let them exhort about your exhortation.
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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It is well worth getting Zappa, unless you have an old single core pc. It better with fast hardware as it needs cores to eat. At long time controls and long analysis, it may be better than Rybka at certain positions.

The only disatvantage, is that it is a little slower than most top engines in reaching plies.

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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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alpha123 wrote:
tomgdrums wrote:
alpha123 wrote:Yeah, I know these are great engines, but I haven't actually bought them yet. My question is: Do you guys think that their playing styles/strengths are different enough from other engines (like Rybka, Firebird/Ivanhoe, Stockfish, HIARCS, Shredder, and Junior) that they would be worth purchasing?

Thanks,
Peter

I held off on purchasing Naum for a long time. I recently purchased the new 4.1 and am really happy with it's analysis. I think it and Shredder are similar in style but with Shredder you also get the gui etc. etc.

Zappa is cool but since it is no longer in current development it might not be completely worth the purchase price. But it is a great engine and it does pick different moves from time to time.
Thank you. I will consider that.

Thanks,
Peter
Oh and I have to say that although it isn't the most popular engine I love Junior!! It is fun to play against and gives some really good alternate (if not always 100% sound) analysis choices!
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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I have a fast quad. Thanks for the advise. I will probably end up purchasing both (when I get a little more money....:P).

Thanks,
Peter
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

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Graham Banks wrote:Naum has a very nice style of play. It is positionally aggressive and is not afraid to advance the pawn shelter in front of its king in order to apply a bind.

You'll only get full advantage from Zappa if your hardware is good. It's fallen off the pace from the top engines in terms of strength.

If I advised you to purchase either, I'd be accused of commercial exhortation. :wink:

Cheers,
Graham.
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Re: Is it worth purchasing Naum and Zappa

Post by matejst »

I have the impression that Zappa has the most positionnal knowledge of all. I understand his analysis most of the time, and it looks very humanlike and sound.

I hoped Stockfish would evolve in a similar direction, with a faster search and a learning function. Anyway, those engines are the best in closed positions, where understanding of positionnal elements matters.

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