It's time for this position again

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JVMerlino
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It's time for this position again

Post by JVMerlino »

I've dug this one up a few times since it was played a little over seven years ago, and I don't think any engine definitively answered the question one way or another.

This is a position from round 3 of Chessmaster vs. GM Larry Christiansen:

[d]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

At this point, Larry played 53...Rg3?! Afterwards, he claimed it was winning. But unfortunately he blundered later on in the game and lost.

But now that we have all these new incredibly strong engines (no comment about their origins necessary), I would very much appreciate it if any of you with top-end hardware could run this position and see if any engine can find a win for black AFTER playing Rg3. Bonus if an engine actually DOES play Rg3!

Here's the game, for your amusement:

[Event "ICC 2 120 u"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.09.29"]
[Round "3"]
[White "CM9000 (Botvinnik)"]
[Black "LarryC"]
[TimeControl "120+120"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A28"]

1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.d4 exd4 5.Nxd4 Bb4 6.Bg5 h6 7.Bh4 Bxc3+
8.bxc3 Ne5 9.e3 d6 10.Be2 Ng6 11.Bxf6 Qxf6 12.O-O O-O 13.Qc2 Re8 14.Rfd1
Nf8 15.Bd3 Ne6 16.Nb3 Rb8 17.a4 Qe7 18.a5 Bd7 19.a6 b6 20.Nd4 Nc5 21.Nb5
Bxb5 22.cxb5 Qf6 23.Bc4 Re5 24.Bd5 Rbe8 25.Rd4 Ne6 26.Rd2 g6 27.Ra4 Kg7
28.Rd1 Re7 29.Rb4 g5 30.Bc6 Qg6 31.Qb2 f5 32.Qb1 Qf6 33.Bd5 f4 34.e4 Nf8
35.f3 h5 36.Qc2 Ng6 37.Qa2 Kh6 38.Qd2 Rg7 39.Qd4 g4 40.fxg4 Nh4 41.Rb2
Rxg4 42.Kh1 Ng6 43.Rf2 Qe7 44.Qd2 Reg5 45.Ra1 h4 46.c4 Qe5 47.Rc1 Kg7
48.Bc6 Qe7 49.Rcf1 Re5 50.Qc3 Kh6 51.Bd5 Reg5 52.Qb3 Qe5 53.Rd1 Rg3
54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 f3 58.Ke1 f2+ 59.Kd2 Rh4
60.Qe3+ Kg7 61.Rf1 Qe5 62.Kc2 Rh2 63.Qf3 Qf4 64.e5 Qxf3 65.Bxf3 Nxe5
66.Bd5 Rh5 67.Ra3 Rg5 68.Kd2 Ng6 69.Re3 Ne5 70.Ke2 Kf6 71.Rh1 Ng6 72.Rh7
1-0

Many thanks in advance,
jm
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Re: It's time for this position again

Post by kgburcham »

[d] 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - -

Rybka 3

15.24 0:07 -0.20++ 53...Rg3 (2.514.899) 346
15.01 0:09 -0.40++ 53...Rg3 (3.133.387) 353
15.01 0:16 -0.63 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 Qh1+ 58.Ke2 Qxg2+ 59.Kd3 Qf3+ 60.Kc2 Qxb3+ 61.Kxb3 f3 62.e5 Nxe5 63.Rf1 f2 64.Kc3 Rf4 65.Kd2 Rxc4 66.Ra3 (5.544.705) 350
16.01 0:44 -0.43 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 Qh1+ 58.Ke2 Qxg2+ 59.Kd3 Qf3+ 60.Kc2 Qxb3+ 61.Kxb3 f3 62.e5 Nxe5 63.Rf1 f2 64.Kc3 Ng6 65.Raxf2 gxf2 66.Rxf2 Rf4 (14.992.222) 341
17.01 0:49 -0.43 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Ra2 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.Kf1 Qh1+ 58.Ke2 Qxg2+ 59.Kd3 Qf3+ 60.Kc2 Qxb3+ 61.Kxb3 f3 62.e5 Nxe5 63.Rf1 f2 64.Kc3 Ng6 65.Raxf2 gxf2 66.Rxf2 Rf4 (16.513.147) 340
18.01 1:14 -0.63++ 53...Rg3 (24.837.817) 341
18.01 2:21 -0.38 53...Rg3 54.hxg3 hxg3 55.Rf3 Rg4 56.Kg1 Qh5 57.e5 Nxe5 58.Qc3 Qh2+ 59.Kf1 Qh1+ 60.Ke2 Qxg2+ 61.Ke1 Nxf3+ 62.Qxf3 Qh2 63.Rd2 Qh4 64.Kf1 Rg5 65.Qh1 Qxh1+ 66.Bxh1 Rh5 (46.705.701) 337
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David Dahlem
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Re: It's time for this position again

Post by David Dahlem »

IvanHoe v68 finds Rg3, with an increasing score for black. It would take a long time to find a win, if it exists. Perhaps on faster hardware ...

FEN: 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

IvanHoe 68 JR:

21 04:10 241.895.724 966.000 0.00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Qe5f6 Rd1f1 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg4g3 Qb3b1 Rg3e3 Qb1d1 Qf6c3 Rf2f3 h4h3 g2xh3 Re3xf3 Qd1xf3 Qc3d2 Rf1f2 Qd2c1+ Rf2f1 Qc1b2 Rf1f2 Qb2c1+
21- 04:43 275.296.884 970.000 -0.28 Rg4g3
21- 05:04 295.076.457 970.000 -0.46 Rg4g3
21 05:48 340.877.524 977.000 -0.31 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e4 Qb3c2+ Rd1d3 Qc2c1 Qf3xf4 Qc1xf4+ Ke4xf4 g3g2 Rd3h3+ Kh6g7 Bd5xg2 Rg5xg2 Kf4e4 Rg2g5 Rh3f3 Rg5e5+ Ke4d4 Re5h5 Rf3f1 Rh5g5 Rf1f2 Rg5g4+ Kd4d5 Rg4h4 Rf2f3 Rh4h5+ Kd5c6
21 05:49 341.041.292 977.000 -0.31 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e4 Qb3c2+ Rd1d3 Qc2c1 Qf3xf4 Qc1xf4+ Ke4xf4 g3g2 Rd3h3+ Kh6g7 Bd5xg2 Rg5xg2 Kf4e4 Rg2g5 Rh3f3 Rg5e5+ Ke4d4 Re5h5 Rf3f1 Rh5g5 Rf1f2 Rg5g4+ Kd4d5 Rg4h4 Rf2f3 Rh4h5+ Kd5c6
22 06:17 368.813.824 978.000 -0.33 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e4 Qb3c2+ Rd1d3 Qc2c1 Qf3xf4 Qc1xf4+ Ke4xf4 g3g2 Rd3h3+ Kh6g7 Bd5xg2 Rg5xg2 Rh3e3 Kg7f7 Re3h3 Kf7g8 Rh3e3 Kg8f8 Re3h3 Rg2f2+ Kf4e4 Kf8g7 Ke4d5 Rf2f4 Rh3e3 Kg7f6
22 06:19 371.210.289 978.000 -0.33 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e4 Qb3c2+ Rd1d3 Qc2c1 Qf3xf4 Qc1xf4+ Ke4xf4 g3g2 Rd3h3+ Kh6g7 Bd5xg2 Rg5xg2 Rh3e3 Kg7f7 Re3h3 Kf7g8 Rh3e3 Kg8f8 Re3h3 Rg2f2+ Kf4e4 Kf8g7 Ke4d5 Rf2f4 Rh3e3 Kg7f6
23- 07:16 427.912.595 981.000 -0.41 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e2 Rg5e5+ Ke2f1 Qb3xf3+ Bd5xf3 Re5e3 Kf1g2 Re3b3 Rd1d2 Kh6g5 Rd2c2 Kg5h4 Rc2d2 Rb3c3 Rd2d5 Rc3c2+ Kg2g1 Rc2c1+ Kg1g2
23- 08:14 484.803.239 981.000 -0.49 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e2 Rg5e5+ Ke2f1 Qb3xf3+ Bd5xf3 Re5e3 Kf1g2 Re3b3 Rd1d2 Kh6g5 Rd2c2 Kg5h4 Rc2d2 Rb3c3 Rd2d5 Rc3c2+ Kg2g1 Rc2c1+ Kg1g2
23 10:00 590.334.961 984.000 -0.60 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Rg5g4 Rd1e1 Qg2h2 Qc3c1 Kh6g7 Qc1d1 Kg7f6 Qd1c1 Kf6g6 Re1f1 Ne5xf3+ Bd5xf3 Qh2h8+ Kd4d3 Rg4h4 Bf3e4+ Kg6g5 Rf1f3 Rh4g4 Rf3f1 Qh8e5 Rf1g1 Kg5f6 Be4f3 Rg4h4 Rg1e1 Qe5f5+ Bf3e4 Qf5g5 Re1f1 Qg5e5 Qc1d2
23 10:03 593.877.618 984.000 -0.60 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Rg5g4 Rd1e1 Qg2h2 Qc3c1 Kh6g7 Qc1d1 Kg7f6 Qd1c1 Kf6g6 Re1f1 Ne5xf3+ Bd5xf3 Qh2h8+ Kd4d3 Rg4h4 Bf3e4+ Kg6g5 Rf1f3 Rh4g4 Rf3f1 Qh8e5 Rf1g1 Kg5f6 Be4f3 Rg4h4 Rg1e1 Qe5f5+ Bf3e4 Qf5g5 Re1f1 Qg5e5 Qc1d2
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Re: It's time for this position again

Post by P. Villanueva »

Very interesting position.
I haven't a high-end machine, but in my crappy laptop Stockfish 1.6 finds Rg3 in 8 minutes and a half. It isn't a winning move but it looks like it's the only option if black wants to avoid a draw.

FEN: 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

Stockfish-16-ja:
1 00:00 61 354 -1,49 Kh6g7
2 00:00 193 1.122 -1,25 Ng6e7 h2h3
3 00:00 555 3.226 -1,05 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 f4f3 Qb3xf3
4 00:00 1.071 5.727 -1,01 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3c2
5 00:00 2.503 13.385 -1,13 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3b2 Rg5g8
6 00:00 6.819 33.591 -0,96 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3b2 Qc5e5 Qb2b4
7 00:00 10.346 50.965 -1,05 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3b2 Qc5e5 Qb2a3 f4f3 Qa3xf3
8 00:00 47.304 189.216 -0,96 Ng6e7 Qb3f3 Qe5f6 Kh1g1 Ne7xd5 c4xd5 Rg5g7 Rf2c2 Kh6g5
9 00:00 76.932 259.905 -0,84 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3b2 Kh6h7 h2h3 Rg4g3 Rf2xf4 Rg3xg2 Rf4xh4+ Kh7g8 Qb2xg2 Rg5xg2 Kh1xg2 Qc5xc4
10 00:00 141.949 395.401 -0,80 Ng6e7 Bd5b7 Qe5c5 Qb3b2 Kh6h7 h2h3 Rg4g3 Rf2xf4 Rg3xg2 Rf4xh4+ Kh7g6 Qb2xg2 Rg5xg2 Kh1xg2 Qc5xc4 Rh4g4+ Kg6f6
11- 00:00 399.519 657.103 -1,01 Ng6e7 Qb3f3 Ne7xd5 e4xd5 Qe5e3 Rf2e2
12 00:00 775.742 802.215 -0,88 Ng6e7 Qb3f3 Ne7xd5 e4xd5 Rg5g7 Rf2e2 Qe5h5 h2h3 Rg4g5 Re2e6+ Rg7g6 Re6xg6+ Kh6xg6 Qf3e4+ Rg5f5 Rd1f1 Kg6f7
12 00:01 1.198.874 853.898 -0,52 Qe5f6 Rd1f1 Qf6d4 Qb3h3 Ng6e5 Bd5e6 Qd4xe4 Be6xg4 Rg5xg4 Qh3c3 Qe4e3 Rf2c2 Rg4g8 Qc3b4
13 00:01 1.490.429 876.722 -0,64 Qe5f6 Rd1f1 Qf6d4 Qb3h3 Ng6e5 Bd5e6 Qd4xe4 Be6xg4 Rg5xg4 Qh3c3 Kh6g7 Qc3c2 Qe4xc2 Rf2xc2 f4f3 g2xf3 Rg4xc4 Rf1g1+ Kg7f6
14 00:02 2.512.659 930.959 -0,64 Qe5f6 Rd1f1 Qf6d4 Qb3h3 Ng6e5 Bd5e6 Qd4xe4 Be6xg4 Rg5xg4 Qh3c3 Kh6g7 Qc3c2 Qe4xc2 Rf2xc2 f4f3 g2xf3 Rg4xc4 Rf1g1+ Kg7f6 Rc2xc4 Ne5xc4 Rg1g4 Nc4e5
15 00:03 3.361.218 953.266 -0,64 Qe5f6 Rd1f1 Qf6d4 Qb3h3 Ng6e5 Bd5e6 Qd4xe4 Be6xg4 Rg5xg4 Qh3c3 Kh6g7 Qc3c2 Qe4xc2 Rf2xc2 f4f3 g2xf3 Rg4xc4 Rf1g1+ Kg7f6 Rc2xc4 Ne5xc4 Rg1g4 Nc4e5
15+ 00:05 5.529.052 984.517 -0,44 Rg5h5 Qb3h3 Rg4g3 Qh3c8 h4h3 h2xg3 h3xg2+ Kh1xg2 f4xg3 Rf2f1 Rh5h2+ Kg2g1 g3g2 Rf1f5 Rh2h1+ Kg1xg2 Qe5h2+ Kg2f3 Rh1xd1 Qc8xc7 Ng6h4+
16 00:09 9.804.676 1.015.397 -0,32 Rg5h5 Qb3f3 Rg4g3 Qf3e2 Rg3e3 Qe2d2 h4h3 g2g3 Re3xe4 Bd5xe4 Qe5xe4+ Kh1g1 Rh5g5 Qd2d4 Qe4xd4 Rd1xd4 f4xg3 Rf2f7 Ng6e5 Rf7xc7
17 00:20 21.303.089 1.035.336 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
18 00:34 35.603.126 1.037.870 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
19 00:52 54.412.209 1.039.015 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
20 01:28 91.985.240 1.037.751 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
21 02:33 158.020.183 1.029.903 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
22 06:36 400.138.559 1.008.312 0,00 Rg5h5 Rf2f3 Rh5g5 Rf3f2 Rg5h5
22+ 08:24 516.945.464 1.024.297 +0,20 Rg4g3 Rd1d3 Rg3e3 Qb3d1 h4h3 g2xh3 Ng6h4
23 14:05 874.561.275 1.034.910 +0,40 Rg4g3 h2xg3 h4xg3 Rf2f3 Rg5g4 Kh1g1 Qe5h5 e4e5 Rg4g5 Qb3c3 Qh5h2+ Kg1f1 Qh2h1+ Kf1e2 Qh1xg2+ Ke2d3 Ng6xe5+ Kd3d4 Ne5xf3+ Qc3xf3 Qg2b2+ Kd4d3 Qb2b3+ Kd3e2 Rg5e5+ Ke2f1 Qb3xf3+ Bd5xf3 Re5e3 Kf1g2 Re3a3 Rd1h1+ Kh6g5 Bf3e2 Ra3a2 Kg2f3 Ra2c2 Rh1h7
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Re: It's time for this position again

Post by rlsuth »

Rg3 doesn't appear to give any advantage, but he could have got an advantage of a pawn and a half (by the looks of things) after 56. Kg1 if he had played 56. .... Rh4
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Re: It's time for this position again

Post by zullil »

JVMerlino wrote:
[d]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53
Crafty takes 2.5 mins:

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Crafty v23.1 (8 cpus)

White(1): setboard 8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - -
Black(1): st 1800
search time set to 1800.00.
Black(1): display stats
display statistics at end of each search.
Black(1): go
              time limit 30:00 (+0.00) (30:00)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
starting thread 2
starting thread 3
starting thread 4
starting thread 5
starting thread 6
starting thread 7
                9     0.05  -0.13   1. ... Qf6 2. Bb7 Qf8 3. Bd5 Qe7 4.
                                    Qh3 Ne5 5. g3 fxg3
                9     0.06  -0.19   1. ... Qe7 2. Qh3 Ne5 3. Rdf1 Qf6 4. 
                                    g3 f3 5. Rd1 Rg7
                9->   0.06  -0.19   1. ... Qe7 2. Qh3 Ne5 3. Rdf1 Qf6 4.
                                    g3 f3 5. Rd1 Rg7 (s=2)
               10     0.10     +1   1. ... Qe7?                          
               10     0.11   0.52   1. ... Qe7 2. c5 bxc5 3. Be6 c4 4.   
                                    Qxc4 d5 5. Qc6 Ne5 6. Qxd5
               10     0.14   0.15   1. ... Ne7 2. Qb2 Nxd5 3. Qxe5 Rxe5  
                                    4. exd5 Re4 5. Rc1 Rg8 6. Rf3
               10->   0.16   0.15   1. ... Ne7 2. Qb2 Nxd5 3. Qxe5 Rxe5  
                                    4. exd5 Re4 5. Rc1 Rg8 6. Rf3 (s=5)
               11     0.17   0.20   1. ... Ne7 2. Qb2 Nxd5 3. Qxe5 Rxe5  
                                    4. exd5 Re4 5. Rc1 Rg8 6. Rf3 Kg5 (s=4)
               11->   0.20   0.20   1. ... Ne7 2. Qb2 Nxd5 3. Qxe5 Rxe5   
                                    4. exd5 Re4 5. Rc1 Rg8 6. Rf3 Kg5 (s=5)
               12     0.33   0.37   1. ... Ne7 2. Qf3 Ng6 3. Bf7 Qf6 4.   
                                    Bxg6 Kxg6 5. h3 Rg3 6. Qxf4 Qxf4 7.
                                    Rxf4 Rxg2 8. Rxh4 (s=4)
               12->   0.48   0.37   1. ... Ne7 2. Qf3 Ng6 3. Bf7 Qf6 4.   
                                    Bxg6 Kxg6 5. h3 Rg3 6. Qxf4 Qxf4 7.
                                    Rxf4 Rxg2 8. Rxh4 (s=2)
               13     0.51   0.37   1. ... Ne7 2. Qf3 Ng6 3. Bf7 Qf6 4.   
                                    Bxg6 Kxg6 5. h3 Rg3 6. Qxf4 Qxf4 7.
                                    Rxf4 Rxg2 8. Rxh4
               13->   0.57   0.37   1. ... Ne7 2. Qf3 Ng6 3. Bf7 Qf6 4.   
                                    Bxg6 Kxg6 5. h3 Rg3 6. Qxf4 Qxf4 7.
                                    Rxf4 Rxg2 8. Rxh4 (s=4)
               14     0.62   0.37   1. ... Ne7 2. Qf3 Ng6 3. Bf7 Qf6 4.   
                                    Bxg6 Kxg6 5. h3 Rg3 6. Qxf4 Qxf4 7.
                                    Rxf4 Rxg2 8. Rxh4 (s=3)
               14     1.31   0.15   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Qf8 5. Qd2 Qf6 6. Rdf3 Rxf3 7.
                                    Rxf3 Qa1+ 8. Kh2 Qe5 <HT>
               14->   1.31   0.15   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.
                                    Rd3 Qf8 5. Qd2 Qf6 6. Rdf3 Rxf3 7.
                                    Rxf3 Qa1+ 8. Kh2 Qe5 <HT>
               15     1.40   0.34   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Qf8 5. Qd2 Qh8 6. Rdf3 Qf6 7. Qe1
                                    Re5 8. Rd2 Re8
               15->   1.63   0.34   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Qf8 5. Qd2 Qh8 6. Rdf3 Qf6 7. Qe1
                                    Re5 8. Rd2 Re8 (s=4)
               16     2.32   0.28   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Re5 5. Rdf3 Qg5 6. Qd2 Re7 7. Rf1
                                    Re8 8. Bc6 Re7 9. Rxg3 hxg3 (s=3)
               16->   2.78   0.28   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Re5 5. Rdf3 Qg5 6. Qd2 Re7 7. Rf1
                                    Re8 8. Bc6 Re7 9. Rxg3 hxg3
               17     4.07   0.28   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Re5 5. Rdf3 Qg5 6. Qd2 Re7 7. Rf1
                                    Re8 8. Bc6 Re7 9. Rxg3 hxg3
               17->   5.28   0.28   1. ... Qe8 2. Qc3 Qe7 3. h3 Rg3 4.    
                                    Rd3 Re5 5. Rdf3 Qg5 6. Qd2 Re7 7. Rf1
                                    Re8 8. Bc6 Re7 9. Rxg3 hxg3 (s=2)
               18    18.95   0.45   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. Rd2 Reg5 7. h3
                                    Rg3 8. Rf3 Re5 9. Qe2 Re8 10. Rd1
               18->  49.73   0.45   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. Rd2 Reg5 7. h3
                                    Rg3 8. Rf3 Re5 9. Qe2 Re8 10. Rd1 (s=3)
               19    53.42   0.42   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. h3 Rg3 7. Rf3
                                    Qe7 8. Rxg3 hxg3 9. Qg4 Qg5 10. Rf3
                                    Qxg4 <HT> (s=2)
               19->  58.27   0.42   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. h3 Rg3 7. Rf3
                                    Qe7 8. Rxg3 hxg3 9. Qg4 Qg5 10. Rf3
                                    Qxg4 <HT> (s=3)
               20     1:09   0.42   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. h3 Rg3 7. Rf3
                                    Qe7 8. Rxg3 hxg3 9. Qg4 Qg5 10. Rf3
                                    Qxg4 <HT> (s=2)
               20->   1:31   0.42   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Re5 5. Qd1 Qd7 6. h3 Rg3 7. Rf3
                                    Qe7 8. Rxg3 hxg3 9. Qg4 Qg5 10. Rf3
                                    Qxg4 <HT> (s=3)
               21     2:01   0.41   1. ... Qe8 2. Rdf1 Qe5 3. Qb2 Qe7 4.  
                                    Qd4 Kh7 5. Qd1 Qe5 6. Qa1 Qe7 7. Qd4
                                    <HT> (s=2)
               21     2:34   0.24   1. ... Rg3 2. hxg3 hxg3 3. Ra2 Rh5+   
                                    4. Kg1 Qg5 5. Kf1 f3 6. Qxf3 Nf4 7.
                                    Ke1 Rh1+ 8. Kd2 Nxd5+ 9. Ke2 Nf4+ 10.
                                    Qxf4 Qxf4 11. Rxh1+ Kg5 12. Kd3 Kg6
                                    13. Rd2 Kg7 14. Ra2
               21->   2:34   0.24   1. ... Rg3 2. hxg3 hxg3 3. Ra2 Rh5+   
                                    4. Kg1 Qg5 5. Kf1 f3 6. Qxf3 Nf4 7.
                                    Ke1 Rh1+ 8. Kd2 Nxd5+ 9. Ke2 Nf4+ 10.
                                    Qxf4 Qxf4 11. Rxh1+ Kg5 12. Kd3 Kg6
                                    13. Rd2 Kg7 14. Ra2 (s=5)
               22     2:42   0.27   1. ... Rg3 2. hxg3 hxg3 3. Ra2 Rh5+   
                                    4. Kg1 Qg5 5. Kf1 f3 6. Qxf3 Nf4 7.
                                    Ke1 Rh1+ 8. Kd2 Nxd5+ 9. Ke2 Nf4+ 10.
                                    Qxf4 Qxf4 11. Rxh1+ Kg6 12. Kd3 Qf6
                                    13. Rd2 Qf4 14. Rh8 Qf1+ 15. Re2 (s=4)
               22->   3:20   0.27   1. ... Rg3 2. hxg3 hxg3 3. Ra2 Rh5+   
                                    4. Kg1 Qg5 5. Kf1 f3 6. Qxf3 Nf4 7.
                                    Ke1 Rh1+ 8. Kd2 Nxd5+ 9. Ke2 Nf4+ 10.
                                    Qxf4 Qxf4 11. Rxh1+ Kg6 12. Kd3 Qf6
                                    13. Rd2 Qf4 14. Rh8 Qf1+ 15. Re2 (s=4)
               23     4:55  -0.01   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Rc3 3. Rc1 Qd4 4.   
                                    Rff1 Rxc1 5. Qxc1 h3 6. gxh3 Qd3 7.
                                    Rf2 Qxh3 8. Qf1 Qe3 9. Rf3 Rg1+ 10.
                                    Qxg1 Qxf3+ 11. Qg2 Qd1+ 12. Qg1 Qf3+
                                    (s=3)
               23->   5:49  -0.01   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Rc3 3. Rc1 Qd4 4.   
                                    Rff1 Rxc1 5. Qxc1 h3 6. gxh3 Qd3 7.
                                    Rf2 Qxh3 8. Qf1 Qe3 9. Rf3 Rg1+ 10.
                                    Qxg1 Qxf3+ 11. Qg2 Qd1+ 12. Qg1 Qf3+
               24     6:58  -0.11   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Qxb2 3. Rxb2 Re3    
                                    4. Rf2 h3 5. gxh3 Rxh3 6. Rdf1 Kg7
                                    7. Rf3 Rxf3 8. Rxf3 Kf6 9. Rf2 Ke5
                                    10. Rg2 Rxg2 11. Kxg2 Nh4+ 12. Kf2
                                    Kd4 13. h3 Ng6
               24->   8:30  -0.11   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Qxb2 3. Rxb2 Re3    
                                    4. Rf2 h3 5. gxh3 Rxh3 6. Rdf1 Kg7
                                    7. Rf3 Rxf3 8. Rxf3 Kf6 9. Rf2 Ke5
                                    10. Rg2 Rxg2 11. Kxg2 Nh4+ 12. Kf2
                                    Kd4 13. h3 Ng6 (s=2)
               25    10:23  -0.21   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Qxb2 3. Rxb2 Re3    
                                    4. Rf2 h3 5. gxh3 Rxh3 6. Rdf1 Kg7
                                    7. Rf3 Rxf3 8. Rxf3 Kf6 9. Rf2 Ke5
                                    10. Rg2 Rxg2 11. Kxg2 Nh4+ 12. Kf2
                                    Kd4 13. Ke2 Kc3 14. h3
               25->  13:09  -0.21   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Qxb2 3. Rxb2 Re3    
                                    4. Rf2 h3 5. gxh3 Rxh3 6. Rdf1 Kg7
                                    7. Rf3 Rxf3 8. Rxf3 Kf6 9. Rf2 Ke5
                                    10. Rg2 Rxg2 11. Kxg2 Nh4+ 12. Kf2
                                    Kd4 13. Ke2 Kc3 14. h3 (s=2)
               26    15:58  -0.11   1. ... Rg3 2. Qb2 Qxb2 3. Rxb2 Re3    
                                    4. Rf2 h3 5. gxh3 Rxh3 6. Rdf1 Kg7
                                    7. Rf3 Rxf3 8. Rxf3 Kf6 9. Rf2 Ke5
                                    10. Rg2 Rxg2 11. Kxg2 Nh4+ 12. Kf2
                                    Kd4 13. Ke2 Kc3 14. h3 Ng2
              time=30:00  mat=0  n=36182331542  fh=90%  nps=20.1M         
              extensions=2214.4M qchecks=2200.7M reduced=2942.9M pruned=2183.5M
              predicted=0  evals=3549.3M  50move=0  EGTBprobes=52  hits=52
              SMP->  splits=4578675  aborts=697824  data=139/512  elap=30:00
terminating SMP processes.
Black(1): Rg3
              time used:  30:00
Martin Thoresen
Posts: 1833
Joined: Thu Jun 22, 2006 12:07 am

Re: It's time for this position again

Post by Martin Thoresen »

A couple of engines, new and old.

Zappa Mexico II 64-bit 4CPU finds it in 1 min 27 sec.

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11/41  0:00   +0.17    1...Kg7 2.Qd3 h3 3.gxh3 Rh4 4.Rg1 Rxg1+ 
                       5.Kxg1 Qa1+ (3.820.999) 4148 

12/43  0:02   +0.55    1...Kg7 2.c5 bxc5 3.Be6 Qxe4 4.Qc3+ Qe5 
                       5.Qxe5+ Nxe5 6.Bxg4 Rxg4 7.h3 (10.169.232) 4373 

12/43  0:02   +0.32    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kg7 4.Qf3 Qf6 
                       5.Qd1 Kh7 (13.119.515) 4448 

12/43  0:03   +0.32    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kg7 4.Qf3 Qf6 
                       5.Qd1 Kh7 (13.917.319) 4416 

13/43  0:04   +0.23    1...Rh5 2.Qf3 Rg3 3.Qe2 Re3 4.Qg4 h3 
                       5.Rg1 Rg5 6.Qc8 (19.948.545) 4502 

13/43  0:04   +0.23    1...Rh5 2.Qf3 Rg3 3.Qe2 Re3 4.Qg4 h3 
                       5.Rg1 Rg5 6.Qc8 (21.156.722) 4475 

14/47  0:08   +0.08    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kh7 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3 Ne5 6.Rxf4 Rxg2 7.Rxh4+ (37.407.963) 4619 

14/47  0:08   +0.08    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kh7 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3 Ne5 6.Rxf4 Rxg2 7.Rxh4+ (40.030.249) 4606 

15/47  0:09   +0.08    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kh7 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3 Ne5 6.Rxf4 Rxg2 7.Rxh4+ (44.586.596) 4624 

15/48  0:10   +0.08    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rhg5 3.Rdf1 Kh7 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3 Ne5 6.Rxf4 Rxg2 7.Rxh4+ (50.359.732) 4611 

16/51  0:22   -0.01    1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Kg7 3.Rdf1 Rhg5 4.R3f2 Rg3 
                       5.Qd1 Ra3 6.h3 Rgg3 7.Qc2 Rae3 8.Qd2 (104.996.426) 4683 

16/51  0:25   -0.01    1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Kg7 3.Rdf1 Rhg5 4.R3f2 Rg3 
                       5.Qd1 Ra3 6.h3 Rgg3 7.Qc2 Rae3 8.Qd2 Kh8 
                       9.Rf3 Rexf3 10.gxf3 Rxh3+ (119.822.069) 4683 

17/51  0:34   -0.04    1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Kg7 3.Rdf1 Rhg5 4.R3f2 Rg3 
                       5.Qd1 Ra3 6.h3 Rgg3 7.Qc2 Rae3 8.Qd1 Rd3 
                       9.Qe2 Rde3 10.Qd1 (165.446.109) 4764 

17/51  0:38   -0.04    1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Kg7 3.Rdf1 Rhg5 4.R3f2 Rg3 
                       5.Qd1 Ra3 6.h3 Rgg3 7.Qc2 Rae3 8.Qd1 Rd3 
                       9.Qe2 Rde3 10.Qd1 (184.320.833) 4775 

18/55  0:52   -0.04    1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Kg7 3.Rdf1 Rhg5 4.R3f2 Rg3 
                       5.Qd1 Ra3 6.h3 Rgg3 7.Qc2 Rae3 8.Qd1 Rd3 
                       9.Qe2 Rde3 10.Qd1 (253.724.724) 4831 

18/55  1:25   -0.23    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rg5 6.Qc3 Qh2+ 7.Kf1 Qh1+ 8.Ke2 Qxg2+ 
                       9.Kd3 Nxe5+ 10.Kd4 Nxf3+ 11.Qxf3 Qb2+ 
                       12.Kd3 Qb3+ 13.Kd2 Qxf3 14.Bxf3 Kg6 (407.784.181) 4756 

18/55  1:27   -0.23    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rg5 6.Qc3 Qh2+ 7.Kf1 Qh1+ 8.Ke2 Qxg2+ 
                       9.Kd3 Nxe5+ 10.Kd4 Nxf3+ 11.Qxf3 Qb2+ 
                       12.Kd3 Qb3+ 13.Kd2 Qxf3 14.Bxf3 Kg6 (414.773.094) 4747 

19/57  2:19   -0.58    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rg5 6.Qc3 Qh2+ 7.Kf1 Qh1+ 8.Ke2 Qxg2+ 
                       9.Kd3 Nxe5+ 10.Kd4 Rg4 11.Be4 Qh2 
                       12.Rff1 Kg5 13.Qc1 g2 14.Rfe1 Kf6 (643.394.899) 4627 

n/s: 4.497.228  nodes: 663.298.465

Stockfish 1.6.2 JA 64-bit 4CPU finds it in 2 min 21 sec.

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15.00  0:01   +0.40++  1...Qf6 2.Rdf1 Ne5 3.Kg1 Kh5 4.Kh1 Qg6 (7.733.041) 5628 

16.01  0:02   +0.44    1...Qf6 2.Rdf1 Rg3 3.Qd1 Re3 4.Qd2 Qc3 
                       5.Qxc3 Rxc3 6.h3 Kg7 7.Kh2 Kf6 8.Rg1 Re3 
                       9.Rd1 Re5 (15.896.855) 6648 

16.02  0:03   +0.32    1...Rh5 2.Qf3 Rgg5 3.h3 Rg3 4.Qe2 Rhg5 
                       5.Qf1 Qc3 6.Rc1 Qe3 7.Re1 Qc3 8.Rd1 Ne5 
                       9.Rxf4 (27.711.895) 7222 

17.01  0:05   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (39.189.079) 7432 

18.01  0:06   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (50.355.929) 7597 

19.01  0:08   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (69.743.490) 7812 

20.01  0:13   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (108.152.963) 8025 

21.01  0:19   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (162.851.175) 8253 

22.01  0:38   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (321.130.083) 8415 

23.01  1:07   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (574.642.458) 8503 

24.01  1:54   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 Rh5 (975.942.574) 8552 

24.02  2:21   -0.20++  1...Rg3 2.Qc2 Rc3 3.Qd2 h3 4.g3 Rcxg3 
                       5.hxg3 fxg3 (1.223.293.681) 8618 

n/s: 8.643.221  nodes: 1.782.552.142 

Komodo 1.0 JA 64-bit doesn't find it in 19 minutes.

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14.01  0:01   +0.67    1...Kg7 2.Qa3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb2+ Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Qe8 6.Qd2 Nxc4 7.Qc3+ Ne5 
                       8.Qxc7+ Qd7 9.Qxd7+ Nxd7 10.Rxf4 Rxf4 
                       11.Rxf4 Rxb5 12.Rxh4 (4.936.593) 2912 

14.27  0:01   +0.67    1...Kg7 2.Qa3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb2+ Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Qe8 6.Qd2 Nxc4 7.Qc3+ Ne5 
                       8.Qxc7+ Qd7 9.Qxd7+ Nxd7 10.Rxf4 Rxf4 
                       11.Rxf4 Rxb5 12.Rxh4 (5.248.772) 2919 

15.01  0:05   +0.52    1...Kg7 2.Qh3 Qe7 3.Rdf1 Qf6 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3+ Ne5 6.Qb2 Kh7 7.Rxf4 Rxg2 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg6 9.Bd5 Rxb2 10.Bxe6 Rgg2 
                       11.Rh3 (15.004.696) 2878 

15.27  0:05   +0.52    1...Kg7 2.Qh3 Qe7 3.Rdf1 Qf6 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3+ Ne5 6.Qb2 Kh7 7.Rxf4 Rxg2 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg6 9.Bd5 Rxb2 10.Bxe6 Rgg2 
                       11.Rh3 (15.248.997) 2882 

16.01  0:06   +0.39    1...Kg7 2.Qh3 Qe7 3.Rdf1 Qf6 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3+ Ne5 6.Qb2 Kh7 7.Rxf4 Rxg2 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg6 9.Bd5 Rxb2 10.Bxe6 Nd3 
                       11.Bf5+ Kf6 12.Rh6+ Ke5 13.h4 (19.535.708) 2903 

16.27  0:07   +0.39    1...Kg7 2.Qh3 Qe7 3.Rdf1 Qf6 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3+ Ne5 6.Qb2 Kh7 7.Rxf4 Rxg2 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg6 9.Bd5 Rxb2 10.Bxe6 Nd3 
                       11.Bf5+ Kf6 12.Rh6+ Ke5 13.h4 (20.341.873) 2904 

17.01  0:07   +0.63    1...Kg7 2.Qh3 Qe7 3.Rdf1 Qf6 4.Bb7 Qe6 
                       5.Qc3+ Ne5 6.Qd2 Nxc4 7.Qc3+ Kg6 
                       8.Bd5 Rxd5 9.Qxc4 Re5 10.Qxc7 Rxb5 
                       11.h3 Rg3 12.Rxf4 Rb2 13.Qxa7 Rbxg2 
                       14.Qf7+ Qxf7 (22.871.365) 2913 

17.03  0:24   +0.45    1...Kh7 2.Rfd2 Ne7 3.Qf3 Ng6 4.Bf7 Kg7 
                       5.Bxg6 Rxg6 6.Rf2 R4g5 7.Re1 Kg8 
                       8.Qh3 Rg4 9.Qd3 Qc5 10.Ref1 Qe5 
                       11.Qd5+ Qxd5 12.cxd5 h3 13.gxh3 (71.538.879) 2877 

17.27  0:25   +0.45    1...Kh7 2.Rfd2 Ne7 3.Qf3 Ng6 4.Bf7 Kg7 
                       5.Bxg6 Rxg6 6.Rf2 R4g5 7.Re1 Kg8 
                       8.Qh3 Rg4 9.Qd3 Qc5 10.Ref1 Qe5 
                       11.Qd5+ Qxd5 12.cxd5 h3 13.gxh3 (72.479.621) 2879 

18.01  0:34   +0.50    1...Kh7 2.Qh3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb3 Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Rg7 6.Rxf4 Qxc4 7.Qxc4 Nxc4 
                       8.Rxg4 Rxg4 9.Rc1 Ne3 10.Rxc7+ Kg6 
                       11.Bc6 Rf4 12.h3 Rf1+ 13.Kh2 Rf2 
                       14.Be8+ Kg5 (99.598.074) 2896 

18.27  0:35   +0.50    1...Kh7 2.Qh3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb3 Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Rg7 6.Rxf4 Qxc4 7.Qxc4 Nxc4 
                       8.Rxg4 Rxg4 9.Rc1 Ne3 10.Rxc7+ Kg6 
                       11.Bc6 Rf4 12.h3 Rf1+ 13.Kh2 Rf2 
                       14.Be8+ Kg5 (101.588.837) 2901 

19.01  0:38   +0.45    1...Kh7 2.Qh3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb3 Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Rh5 6.Rxf4 Rxf4 7.Rxf4 Qxc4 
                       8.Qxc4 Nxc4 9.Bd5 Ne3 10.Rf7+ Kg6 
                       11.Rxc7 Nxd5 12.exd5 Rxd5 13.Kg1 Rxb5 
                       14.Rxa7 Rb1+ (112.997.181) 2916 

19.27  0:39   +0.45    1...Kh7 2.Qh3 Qf6 3.Bb7 Qe6 4.Qb3 Ne5 
                       5.Rdf1 Rh5 6.Rxf4 Rxf4 7.Rxf4 Qxc4 
                       8.Qxc4 Nxc4 9.Bd5 Ne3 10.Rf7+ Kg6 
                       11.Rxc7 Nxd5 12.exd5 Rxd5 13.Kg1 Rxb5 
                       14.Rxa7 Rb1+ (115.971.988) 2919 

20.01  1:43   +0.33    1...Kh7 2.Rc1 Qd4 3.Qc2 Qf6 4.Bb7 h3 
                       5.gxh3 Rh4 6.Bc8 Ne5 7.Bf5+ Kg8 
                       8.Qc3 Kg7 9.Rd1 f3 10.Rdf1 Rh6 
                       11.Qe3 Kh8 12.Bg4 Rh4 13.Bxf3 Rxh3 
                       14.Bg2 Rxe3 (296.839.538) 2872 

20.27  1:44   +0.33    1...Kh7 2.Rc1 Qd4 3.Qc2 Qf6 4.Bb7 h3 
                       5.gxh3 Rh4 6.Bc8 Ne5 7.Bf5+ Kg8 
                       8.Qc3 Kg7 9.Rd1 f3 10.Rdf1 Rh6 
                       11.Qe3 Kh8 12.Bg4 Rh4 13.Bxf3 Rxh3 
                       14.Bg2 Rxe3 (301.218.362) 2875 

21.01  3:01   +0.19    1...Kh7 2.Rc1 Kh6 3.Qd1 h3 4.gxh3 Rh4 
                       5.Qf1 Qf6 6.Rb1 Ne5 7.Rb3 Kg7 8.Ra3 Rg6 
                       9.Re3 Kh7 10.Rg3 Rg7 11.Rc3 Ng4 
                       12.Rfc2 Ne5 13.Rg3 f3 14.Rf2 Rf4 (518.506.605) 2860 

21.27  3:03   +0.19    1...Kh7 2.Rc1 Kh6 3.Qd1 h3 4.gxh3 Rh4 
                       5.Qf1 Qf6 6.Rb1 Ne5 7.Rb3 Kg7 8.Ra3 Rg6 
                       9.Re3 Kh7 10.Rg3 Rg7 11.Rc3 Ng4 
                       12.Rfc2 Ne5 13.Rg3 f3 14.Rf2 Rf4 (525.480.051) 2864 

22.01  4:51   +0.49    1...Kh7 2.Bb7 Qc5 3.Qc2 h3 4.gxh3 Rh4 
                       5.Bc8 Qe3 6.Rdf1 Ne5 7.Re2 Qd3 
                       8.Qxd3 Nxd3 9.Bg4 Kg6 10.Kg2 Rh8 
                       11.Rf3 Ne5 12.Rxf4 Nxc4 13.Rf5 Ne5 
                       14.Rxg5+ Kxg5 (821.279.418) 2821 

22.04  7:02   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.195.686.931) 2832 

22.27  7:05   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.205.244.029) 2834 

23.01  7:17   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.243.483.456) 2841 

23.27  7:24   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.264.434.104) 2842 

24.01  7:43   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.320.903.838) 2852 

24.27  7:50   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.343.006.119) 2855 

25.01  8:15   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.423.184.779) 2869 

25.27  8:27   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.457.936.069) 2873 

26.01  9:22   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.626.896.697) 2892 

26.27  9:45   0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (1.694.272.964) 2895 

27.01  15:48  0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (2.704.912.079) 2851 

27.27  16:36  0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (2.842.755.726) 2853 

28.01  19:12  0.00     1...Qf6 2.Qh3 Ne5 3.Rdf1 Rg6 4.Bb7 Rg8 
                       5.Bd5 R8g6 (3.314.349.960) 2874 

n/s: 2.874.767  nodes: 3.314.349.960

Spark 0.3a 64-bit 4CPU finds it in 0 minutes 14 sec.

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16/33  0:02   +0.62    1...Kg7 (26.232.771) 10573 

16/33  0:03   +0.59    1...Kg7 2.Rc1 h3 3.gxh3 Rh4 4.Rff1 Rh8 
                       5.Rg1 Rgh5 6.Rc3 Rg5 7.Rxg5 Qxg5 
                       8.Rc2 Qf6 9.Rg2 f3 (33.068.703) 10650 

17/36  0:04   +0.81    1...Kg7 2.Bb7 Qe6 3.Qb2+ Ne5 4.Rdf1 Kh7 
                       5.Rxf4 Rxg2 6.Qxg2 Rxg2 7.Kxg2 Qxc4 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg7 9.Rg1 Qc5 10.Bd5 Ng6 
                       11.Kh1 Qxg1+ 12.Kxg1 Nxh4 (52.973.694) 10813 

18/36  0:05   +0.89    1...Kg7 2.Bb7 Qe6 3.Qb2+ Ne5 4.Rdf1 Kh7 
                       5.Rxf4 Rxg2 6.Qxg2 Rxg2 7.Kxg2 Qxc4 
                       8.Rxh4+ Kg7 9.Rg1 Qc5 10.Bd5 Ng6 
                       11.Kh1 Qxg1+ 12.Kxg1 Nxh4 13.Kf2 Ng6 (59.186.259) 10901 

19/38  0:10   +0.76    1...Kg7 2.Bb7 h3 3.Qxh3 Nh4 4.Rdf1 Nxg2 
                       5.Bc8 Rh4 6.Qd7+ Kg6 7.Qe6+ Qxe6 
                       8.Bxe6 Ne3 9.Rxf4 Rxf4 10.Rxf4 Rc5 
                       11.Rf7 Nxc4 12.Kg2 Ne5 (110.501.967) 10797 

19/40  0:14   +0.64    1...Rg3 (149.861.369) 10626 

19/40  0:14   +0.14    1...Rg3 (155.635.730) 10624 

19/45  0:17   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (189.160.822) 10543 

20/45  0:19   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (201.282.607) 10575 

21/46  0:21   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (225.869.377) 10591 

22/49  0:25   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (274.863.708) 10736 

23/50  0:35   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (379.766.054) 10761 

24/62  0:51   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (553.231.963) 10762 

25/62  2:18   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rg4 4.Kg1 Qh5 
                       5.e5 Rh4 6.Kf1 Qxe5 7.Kg1 Qh5 8.Kf1 Qe5 (1.408.116.921) 10161 

n/s: 10.127.885  nodes: 1.516.762.311

Delphil 2.6 4CPU doesn't find it in 8 minutes.

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10.01  0:01   +0.69    1...Kg7 (1.371.498) 

11.07  0:01   +0.69    1...Kg7 (1.464.346) 

11.01  0:15   +0.64    1...Kg7 (13.829.807) 

12.07  0:15   +0.64    1...Kg7 (14.091.608) 

12.01  0:17   +0.68    1...Kg7 (15.607.953) 

13.07  0:18   +0.68    1...Kg7 (16.405.216) 

13.01  1:18   +0.65    1...Kg7 (71.122.476) 

14.07  1:20   +0.65    1...Kg7 (73.434.445) 

14.01  2:17   +0.69    1...Kg7 (125.248.472) 

15.07  2:26   +0.69    1...Kg7 (133.871.768) 

16.01  6:29   +0.65    1...Qf6 (366.276.105) 

17.07  6:38   +0.65    1...Qf6 (374.799.168) 

15.01  8:03   +0.58    1...Kg7 (443.528.709) 

16.07  8:35   +0.58    1...Kg7 (473.127.058) 

minnodes: 473.127.058 

Loop M1-T 64-bit 4CPU finds it after 0 minutes 11 sec.

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13.01  0:01   +0.91    1...Qg7 2.Be6 Rxg2 3.Rxg2 Rxg2 
                       4.Kxg2 Nf8+ 5.Kh1 Nxe6 6.Qh3 Qf6 
                       7.Qf5 Qe5 8.Rg1 Qxf5 9.exf5 (19.699.011) 13970 

13.02  0:01   +0.84    1...Ne7 2.Qf3 Ng6 3.Rdf1 Kh7 4.Rd2 Qe7 
                       5.Rc1 Ne5 6.Qc3 Qg7 7.Rg1 Qf6 (27.097.126) 14091 

13.04  0:03   +0.78    1...Kh7 2.Rc2 Nf8 3.Qd3 Nd7 4.Rf2 Nc5 
                       5.Qf3 Kh8 6.Rdd2 Rg7 7.h3 Rg3 8.Qxf4 (55.154.393) 14215 

14.01  0:05   +0.66    1...Kh7 2.Rc2 Nf8 3.Qf3 Nd7 4.Bc6 Nc5 
                       5.Bb7 Qe8 6.h3 Rg3 7.Qxf4 Qh5 8.Rcd2 (74.585.224) 14241 

15.01  0:07   +0.72    1...Kh7 2.Rc2 Nf8 3.Qf3 Ng6 4.Rf2 Qf6 
                       5.Rdf1 Ne5 6.Qc3 Rg7 7.Qd2 f3 8.gxf3 Qxf3+ 
                       9.Rxf3 (106.849.341) 14466 

15.18  0:11   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Rh2 
                       5.Rdd3 Qh5 6.Rxg3 Rh1+ 7.Kf2 Qh4 
                       8.Rdf3 fxg3+ 9.Rxg3 (174.635.568) 14644 

16.01  0:15   0.00     1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Rf3 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Rh2 
                       5.Rdd3 Qa1+ 6.Qd1 Qf6 7.Qd2 Qa1+ 
                       8.Qd1 Qf6 9.Qd2 (223.388.505) 14699 

17.01  0:36   -0.37    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Ra2 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Rh4 
                       5.Qf3 Qg5 6.Kf1 Ne5 7.Qb3 Rh1+ 8.Ke2 f3+ 
                       9.Qxf3 (545.975.825) 14769 

n/s: 14.777.040  nodes: 566.477.840

Toga II 1.4.1SE 4CPU finds it in 1 min 16 sec.

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14/46  0:01   +0.39    1...Qe7 2.Qc3 Ne5 3.Qd2 Ng6 4.Qd3 Qg7 
                       5.Qh3 Qd7 6.Bc6 Qf7 7.Qc3 Ne5 8.Bd5 (2.873.018) 6114 

14/41  0:02   +0.35    1...Qf6 2.c5 bxc5 3.Be6 c4 4.Qxc4 Rc5 
                       5.Qb3 Rgg5 6.Bf5 Qc3 7.Qf7 Qd3 
                       8.Rfd2 Qxb5 9.Rd3 Qxa6 (3.118.471) 5996 

14/47  0:03   +0.06    1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rg3 3.Qc8 h3 4.gxh3 Rgxh3 
                       5.Rg2 Rg3 6.Rc2 Qg7 7.Qb7 Ne5 8.Qxa7 (5.111.435) 6232 

14/49  0:03   +0.04    1...Rh5 2.Qf3 Rg3 3.Qe2 Re3 4.Qd2 Rg5 
                       5.h3 Reg3 6.Rg1 Qf6 7.Rf3 (5.049.959) 6232 

15/49  0:03   +0.08    1...Rh5 2.Qf3 Rg3 3.Qe2 Re3 4.Qd2 Rg5 
                       5.h3 Reg3 6.Rg1 Kh7 7.Rf3 Rxf3 
                       8.gxf3 Rxg1+ 9.Kxg1 (6.075.437) 6224 

15/50  0:03   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Qh3 Rg3 3.Qe6 Qxe6 4.Bxe6 Re3 
                       5.Bf5 Rc3 6.Be6 Re3 (6.147.140) 6224 

16/49  0:05   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 (7.898.281) 6193 

17/49  0:07   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 (11.257.458) 6238 

18/47  0:10   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 (15.458.249) 6291 

19/49  0:16   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 (25.783.314) 6351 

20/52  0:39   0.00     1...Rh5 2.Rf3 Rhg5 3.Rf2 (63.232.921) 6355 

20/61  1:16   -0.09    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Ra2 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Qg5 
                       5.Kf1 Ne5 6.Be6 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 f3+ 
                       8.Qxf3 Nxf3 9.Rxh1+ Nh4 10.Kd3 Qf6 
                       11.Bf5 Kg5 12.Re2 Qe5 13.Rf1 Qe8 
                       14.Rd2 (125.623.542) 6522 

20/59  1:17   -0.10    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Ra2 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Qg5 
                       5.Kf1 Ne5 6.Be6 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 f3+ 
                       8.Qxf3 Nxf3 9.Rxh1+ Nh4 10.Kd3 Qf6 
                       11.Bf5 Kg5 12.Re2 Qe5 13.Rf1 Qc5 
                       14.Be6 (124.927.530) 6522 

20/58  1:17   -0.17    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Ra2 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Qg5 
                       5.Kf1 Ne5 6.Be6 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 f3+ 
                       8.Qxf3 Nxf3 9.Rxh1+ Nh4 10.Kd3 Qf6 
                       11.Bf5 Kg5 12.Re2 Qe5 13.Rf1 Qe7 
                       14.Kc3 (125.719.316) 6524 

20/71  1:22   -0.33    1...Rg3 2.hxg3 hxg3 3.Ra2 Rh5+ 4.Kg1 Qg5 
                       5.Kf1 Ne5 6.Be6 Rh1+ 7.Ke2 f3+ 
                       8.Qxf3 Nxf3 9.Rxh1+ Nh4 10.Kd3 Qf4 
                       11.Raa1 Kg5 12.Raf1 Qe5 13.Bh3 Qe7 
                       14.Kd4 (131.801.893) 6566 

n/s: 6.569.521  CPU 100.0%   nodes: 631.620.000
Vinvin
Posts: 5287
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:40 am
Full name: Vincent Lejeune

Re: It's time for this position again

Post by Vinvin »

IIRC, I analyzed with engines at this time and I found only a draw while searching a lot of lines ...
JVMerlino wrote:I've dug this one up a few times since it was played a little over seven years ago, and I don't think any engine definitively answered the question one way or another.

This is a position from round 3 of Chessmaster vs. GM Larry Christiansen:

[d]8/p1p5/Pp1p2nk/1P1Bq1r1/2P1Pprp/1Q6/5RPP/3R3K b - - 0 53

At this point, Larry played 53...Rg3?! Afterwards, he claimed it was winning. But unfortunately he blundered later on in the game and lost.
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PauloSoare
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Location: Cabo Frio, Brasil

Re: It's time for this position again

Post by PauloSoare »

Me too. I analysed many lines with the help of some engines and could not find a win for black. I looked for more than 4 hours, maybe there is some winning line, but it is difficult to find, at least for me.
vb4
Posts: 165
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Location: NY

Re: It's time for this position again

Post by vb4 »

Hi John,

I am analyzing this position with Rybka on my quad which will be a 72 hr analysis. Hopefully something will show. I will keep you posted.

Les