A Game of Perception

[kingliveson]

[d]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq d3 0 1

CPU: AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 GHz
Cores: 4
Hash: 2048 MB
TC: 3 Hours

[Event "?"]
[Site "W0111D001"]
[White "BETA"]
[Black "RTM"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E91"]
[PlyCount "157"]
[Date "2010.02.11"]
[TimeControl "10800"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 c5 6. d5 O-O 7. Be2 Bg4 8. O-O
Nfd7 9. Rb1 Bxf3 10. Bxf3 Be5 11. Qd3 Bg7 12. Be2 Qc7 13. Bg5 Nf6 14. f4 Nbd7
15. Bf3 Rae8 16. Kh1 Kh8 17. Bh4 a6 18. Rbd1 Nb6 19. Rf2 Nc8 20. Rc2 Kg8 21.
Bf2 Nb6 22. b3 Nfd7 23. Bh4 Nc8 24. Bg3 Na7 25. a4 Qb6 26. Be1 Qc7 27. Ne2 Nc8
28. a5 Rd8 29. Bg4 Rfe8 30. Qe3 Nf8 31. Qf3 Nd7 32. Bh3 Rf8 33. Qe3 Rde8 34.
Qd3 Na7 35. b4 Rd8 36. b5 axb5 37. cxb5 b6 38. a6 Ra8 39. Qc4 Nf6 40. Bc3 Kh8
41. Kg1 Rad8 42. Rcd2 Rb8 43. Rd3 Qd8 44. Re3 Kg8 45. Ba1 Ra8 46. Re1 Bh6 47.
g3 Rb8 48. Nc3 Ne8 49. Bb2 Nc7 50. e5 Bg7 51. Rb1 Kh8 52. Re2 Ra8 53. Kg2 Kg8
54. Qd3 Kh8 55. Bg4 f5 56. exf6 Bxf6 57. Bh3 Bd4 58. Re4 Bf6 59. Qe2 Rf7 60.
Bg4 Rf8 61. Re3 Rf7 62. Ne4 Rg7 63. Nxf6 exf6 64. Ba1 Qf8 65. Be6 Qd8 66. g4
Naxb5 67. Rxb5 Rxa6 68. Rb1 Ra8 69. g5 Ne8 70. Re1 Rxa1 71. Rxa1 Nc7 72. h4 f5
73. Qb2 Nb5 74. Qxb5 Qf8 75. Rea3 Qc8 76. Ra8 h6 77. Rxc8+ Kh7 78. Qe8 hxg5 79.
Qh8# 1-0

[Albert Silver]

[d]rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PPP1PPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq d3 0 1

CPU: AMD Phenom II 940 @ 3.6 GHz
Cores: 4
Hash: 2048 MB
TC: 3 Hours

[Event "?"]
[Site "W0111D001"]
[White "BETA"]
[Black "RTM"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "E91"]
[PlyCount "157"]
[Date "2010.02.11"]
[TimeControl "10800"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 c5 6. d5 O-O 7. Be2 Bg4 8. O-O
Nfd7 9. Rb1 Bxf3 10. Bxf3 Be5 11. Qd3 Bg7 12. Be2 Qc7 13. Bg5 Nf6 14. f4 Nbd7
15. Bf3 Rae8 16. Kh1 Kh8 17. Bh4 a6 18. Rbd1 Nb6 19. Rf2 Nc8 20. Rc2 Kg8 21.
Bf2 Nb6 22. b3 Nfd7 23. Bh4 Nc8 24. Bg3 Na7 25. a4 Qb6 26. Be1 Qc7 27. Ne2 Nc8
28. a5 Rd8 29. Bg4 Rfe8 30. Qe3 Nf8 31. Qf3 Nd7 32. Bh3 Rf8 33. Qe3 Rde8 34.
Qd3 Na7 35. b4 Rd8 36. b5 axb5 37. cxb5 b6 38. a6 Ra8 39. Qc4 Nf6 40. Bc3 Kh8
41. Kg1 Rad8 42. Rcd2 Rb8 43. Rd3 Qd8 44. Re3 Kg8 45. Ba1 Ra8 46. Re1 Bh6 47.
g3 Rb8 48. Nc3 Ne8 49. Bb2 Nc7 50. e5 Bg7 51. Rb1 Kh8 52. Re2 Ra8 53. Kg2 Kg8
54. Qd3 Kh8 55. Bg4 f5 56. exf6 Bxf6 57. Bh3 Bd4 58. Re4 Bf6 59. Qe2 Rf7 60.
Bg4 Rf8 61. Re3 Rf7 62. Ne4 Rg7 63. Nxf6 exf6 64. Ba1 Qf8 65. Be6 Qd8 66. g4
Naxb5 67. Rxb5 Rxa6 68. Rb1 Ra8 69. g5 Ne8 70. Re1 Rxa1 71. Rxa1 Nc7 72. h4 f5
73. Qb2 Nb5 74. Qxb5 Qf8 75. Rea3 Qc8 76. Ra8 h6 77. Rxc8+ Kh7 78. Qe8 hxg5 79.
Qh8# 1-0

I only went over this cursorily, and with no info I don't know what I'm looking at. Is this a new engine being developed? The game is obviously of very low quality and right off the bat Black looks completely confused, but again, if this is a beginner engine, kudos of course.

[kingliveson]

Hey Albert, it is a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted. Wanted to see how they behave at very long time control. I'll try 4 hours next.

[Albert Silver]

Hey Albert, it is actually a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted.

Really? I'm amazed. Black's early play was just dreadful.

That said, engines seem to have a lot of trouble playing the black side of the KI, or the Sicilian Sveshnikov for example, so I suppose it shouldn't be too big a surprise.

[kingliveson]

Hey Albert, it is actually a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted.

Really? I'm amazed. Black's early play was just dreadful.

That said, engines seem to have a lot of trouble playing the black side of the KI, or the Sicilian Sveshnikov for example, so I suppose it shouldn't be too big a surprise.

With preliminary analysis and comparison to moves in a book, black did not play the best opening. Here is the actual evals from the game:

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1. d4 {0.18/25 268 Both last book move} Nf6 {
0.00/19 244} 2. c4 {0.17/25 290 (Nc3)} g6 {0.00/19 199 (e6)} 3. Nc3 {0.27/25
192} Bg7 {0.09/19 374 (d6)} 4. e4 {0.25/26 449} d6 {0.11/20 158} 5. Nf3 {0.27/
25 929 (h3)} c5 {0.11/19 228 (0-0)} 6. d5 {0.29/24 194} O-O {0.13/19 157} 7.
Be2 {0.33/24 229 (h3)} Bg4 {0.16/19 367 (e6)} 8. O-O {0.32/24 491} Nfd7 {0.14/
18 223 (Nbd7)} 9. Rb1 {0.31/24 204 (Bf4)} Bxf3 {0.15/20 256 (Nb6)} 10. Bxf3 {
0.30/24 419} Be5 {0.24/20 1289 (Bd4)} 11. Qd3 {0.41/24 145 (Bg4)} Bg7 {0.24/20
802 (Nf6)} 12. Be2 {0.50/23 163} Qc7 {0.29/19 216 (Nf6)} 13. Bg5 {0.49/23 156 
(f4)} Nf6 {0.34/18 116 (a6)} 14. f4 {0.56/24 308} Nbd7 {0.39/19 237} 15. Bf3 {
0.56/23 78} Rae8 {0.38/18 83 (a6)} 16. Kh1 {0.59/22 155 (Rbe1)} Kh8 {0.36/17
97 (a6)} 17. Bh4 {0.60/21 192 (Rfe1)} a6 {0.37/18 256 (Ng8)} 18. Rbd1 {0.59/22
160 (Rbe1)} Nb6 {0.37/17 124 (Bh6)} 19. Rf2 {0.64/22 299 (Rfe1)} Nc8 {0.35/19
138} 20. Rc2 {0.65/23 163 (Re1)} Kg8 {0.35/20 79} 21. Bf2 {0.68/23 48 (Re2)}
Nb6 {0.35/20 76 (Nd7)} 22. b3 {0.67/21 46 (Re1)} Nfd7 {0.39/19 98} 23. Bh4 {0.
67/22 122 (Re2)} Nc8 {0.31/20 248 (Nb8)} 24. Bg3 {0.70/23 94} Na7 {0.36/20 221
(Nb8)} 25. a4 {0.70/24 166 (Bf2)} Qb6 {0.35/17 80 (Nc8)} 26. Be1 {0.70/24 210}
Qc7 {0.38/18 70 (Nb8)} 27. Ne2 {0.72/23 186 (Ra2)} Nc8 {0.40/19 80 (Nf6)} 28.
a5 {0.82/23 167} Rd8 {0.45/19 196 (Kh8)} 29. Bg4 {0.87/23 109 (Ra2)} Rfe8 {0.
54/17 94 (Rde8)} 30. Qe3 {0.87/24 110} Nf8 {0.58/18 61 (Rf8)} 31. Qf3 {0.81/23
131 (b4)} Nd7 {0.55/18 63} 32. Bh3 {0.87/23 170} Rf8 {0.56/19 130} 33. Qe3 {0.
87/23 55} Rde8 {0.66/18 100} 34. Qd3 {0.92/22 48 (b4)} Na7 {0.66/17 49 (Rd8)}
35. b4 {1.09/24 101} Rd8 {0.75/17 62 (cxb4)} 36. b5 {1.26/25 78 (Qe3)} axb5 {
0.88/19 73} 37. cxb5 {1.26/23 0} b6 {0.95/20 265} 38. a6 {1.28/24 305} Ra8 {0.
95/20 224 (Nf6)} 39. Qc4 {1.31/23 96 (Bc3)} Nf6 {1.00/18 68} 40. Bc3 {1.31/22
25} Kh8 {1.03/17 69 (Rad8)} 41. Kg1 {1.38/22 181 (Ng1)} Rad8 {1.12/17 104 (Qd8)
} 42. Rcd2 {1.45/23 51} Rb8 {1.18/18 91 (Kg8)} 43. Rd3 {1.40/22 126} Qd8 {1.18/
17 22} 44. Re3 {1.44/22 21 (Rb1)} Kg8 {1.19/18 47 (Ne8)} 45. Ba1 {1.46/23 71}
Ra8 {1.25/19 101 (Ne8)} 46. Re1 {1.44/23 53 (Nc3)} Bh6 {1.23/18 57 (Ne8)} 47.
g3 {1.48/22 18} Rb8 {1.23/18 99 (Bg7)} 48. Nc3 {1.54/23 50} Ne8 {1.25/18 36}
49. Bb2 {1.54/24 54 (R3e2)} Nc7 {1.36/18 45 (Bg7)} 50. e5 {1.54/23 44} Bg7 {1.
36/18 85 (Ra8)} 51. Rb1 {1.54/21 21} Kh8 {1.32/18 135} 52. Re2 {1.54/21 27} Ra8
{1.32/17 59 (Kg8)} 53. Kg2 {1.54/21 42 (Rbe1)} Kg8 {1.27/16 31} 54. Qd3 {1.53/
20 128 (Bc1)} Kh8 {1.27/16 49} 55. Bg4 {1.53/19 20 (Kg1)} f5 {1.27/16 129} 56.
exf6 {1.53/21 41} Bxf6 {1.25/17 124} 57. Bh3 {1.53/21 96 (Qc4)} Bd4 {1.24/16 21
} 58. Re4 {1.53/21 48} Bf6 {1.28/16 29} 59. Qe2 {1.56/21 38} Rf7 {1.42/16 23}
60. Bg4 {1.54/21 93 (Be6)} Rf8 {1.25/15 38} 61. Re3 {1.53/20 20} Rf7 {1.27/16
56 (Rg8)} 62. Ne4 {1.59/20 43 (Qd3)} Rg7 {1.53/15 46 (Naxb5)} 63. Nxf6 {2.15/
21 95} exf6 {1.53/14 0} 64. Ba1 {2.17/22 12} Qf8 {1.76/16 76 (h6)} 65. Be6 {2.
59/18 17 (Kg1)} Qd8 {2.30/14 30 (Re8)} 66. g4 {3.49/18 31 (Re4)} Naxb5 {3.31/
15 102} 67. Rxb5 {3.49/16 0} Rxa6 {3.57/15 105} 68. Rb1 {3.68/18 21} Ra8 {3.70/
15 87 (Ra7)} 69. g5 {4.64/18 34 (Bc3)} Ne8 {4.26/15 62} 70. Re1 {4.64/16 0 
(Bc3)} Rxa1 {4.87/14 15} 71. Rxa1 {5.47/19 37} Nc7 {4.87/13 139 (fxg5)} 72. h4
{7.64/19 134} f5 {6.40/13 118} 73. Qb2 {7.64/17 0 (h5)} Nb5 {#13/14 100 (c4)}
74. Qxb5 {#10/22 340} Qf8 {#12/10 3} 75. Rea3 {#7/23 106 (Qxb6)} Qc8 {#14/8 0 
(h6)} 76. Ra8 {#4/28 36 (Bxc8)} h6 {#4/3 0 (h5)} 77. Rxc8+ {#3/23 16} Kh7 {#3/
3 0} 78. Qe8 {#2/23 24} hxg5 {#2/3 0} 79. Qh8# {#1/71 6} 1-0

[kingliveson]

Here was round 1:

[Event "?"]
[Site "W0111D001"]
[White "RTM"]
[Black "BETA"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C01"]
[PlyCount "130"]
[Date "2010.02.11"]
[TimeControl "10800"]

1. e4 e6 2. Nf3 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. d4 Bd6 5. c4 Nf6 6. c5 Be7 7. Nc3 O-O 8. Be3
b6 9. cxb6 axb6 10. Bd3 Bb4 11. O-O Bxc3 12. bxc3 Ba6 13. Ne5 Bxd3 14. Qxd3 Qc8
15. f3 Nfd7 16. Ng4 h5 17. Nf2 Re8 18. Rfe1 Nf6 19. Qd2 Nc6 20. Bg5 Nh7 21. Nd3
Qd7 22. Bh4 Na5 23. Bg3 f6 24. Qf4 c6 25. Nb2 Nf8 26. Qd2 Ng6 27. Qd3 Kf7 28.
Rxe8 Rxe8 29. h4 Ne7 30. Re1 g6 31. Qa6 Nc8 32. Rxe8 Kxe8 33. Nd3 Qb7 34. Qxb7
Nxb7 35. Be1 Ncd6 36. g4 hxg4 37. fxg4 Kf7 38. Kf2 Nc4 39. Nb4 Nba5 40. Kf3 Nd6
41. Kf4 Ke6 42. h5 Kf7 43. Na6 Ne8 44. Kg3 Kg7 45. Nb8 Nd6 46. a4 Kh6 47. Nd7
Ne4+ 48. Kf4 Nc4 49. Nxf6 gxh5 50. Nxe4 dxe4 51. Kxe4 hxg4 52. Kf5 Nb2 53. Ke6
Nxa4 54. Kd7 g3 55. Bxg3 Nxc3 56. Kxc6 b5 57. Be5 Ne4 58. d5 b4 59. Bb2 b3 60.
d6 Nxd6 61. Kxd6 Kg5 62. Ke5 Kg4 63. Ke4 Kg3 64. Kd3 Kf2 65. Bd4+ Ke1 {Draw
accepted} 1/2-1/2

[Sven]

Hey Albert, it is a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted. Wanted to see how they behave at very long time control. I'll try 4 hours next.

Would you mind telling the real names of these engines?

Sven

[Guenther]

Hey Albert, it is a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted. Wanted to see how they behave at very long time control. I'll try 4 hours next.

Would you mind telling the real names of these engines?

Sven

I guess this was a rethorical question Sven? ;-)
(F.T. posts always involve the same programs)

Guenther

[kingliveson]

Would you mind telling the real names of these engines?

Sven

[d]rnbq1rk1/pp2ppbp/3p1np1/2pP4/2P1P3/2N2N2/PP2BPPP/R1BQK2R b KQ - 0 7
A 6 hour game between the 2 strongest chess engines (Grand Prince vs Aquatic Vertebrate) in the world played on a fairly decent hardware. It is quite an interesting game once you begin to analyze it. Bg4?

[benstoker]

Hey Albert, it is a game between 2 very strong engines using no book. If needed, the evals can be posted. Wanted to see how they behave at very long time control. I'll try 4 hours next.

Would you mind telling the real names of these engines?

Sven

It's a long name: The-Chess-Engine-That-Dare-Not-Speak-its-Name