What a idiocy !

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Mincho Georgiev
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What a idiocy !

Post by Mincho Georgiev »

I asked for help at FICS channel 1 [help] and this is what I get ?! Very nice.
[09:55]mincho: hello, fellows
[09:55]mincho: i need some advice on something
[09:56]jetix: yes?
[09:56]mincho: here it is...
[09:56]mincho: i'm operating my computer account
[09:56]jetix: yes?
[09:56]mincho: and since i'm still learning some basics...
[09:56]mincho: it seems that everytime my program idles for a while...
[09:57]mincho: the connection gets closed by the ics
[09:57]mincho: is there any way to fix that
[09:57]mincho: i meant every time WHEN my program idles for a while
[09:58]dism: "for a while" == ?
[09:58]mincho: let's say for 1-2 hours
[09:58]jetix: that is ok
[09:58]mincho: is it normal
[09:58]outAtime(SR): totally normal
[09:58]jetix: 1hour and disconnect for people accounts
[09:58]dism: someone correct me if i'm wrong but if you're idle for one hour it disconnects by default
[09:59]mincho: i'm talking about computer account
[09:59]jetix: yes
[09:59]dism: computer account, i'm clueless bout that
[10:00]mincho: ok, let me put that a bit differently...
[10:00]mincho: is there any way...
[10:00]Yaughan: Are you sure you want to/
[10:00]Acerook: you can idle for more than 1 hour?
[10:00]mincho: how
[10:00]jetix: only admins
[10:00]jetix: and guys like them
[10:00]jetix: as i know
[10:01]jetix: and TDs
[10:01]Acerook: you could also get a "TD" badge of being a technical device... but otherwise nope...
[10:01]mincho: my purpose is to make my computer account to stay online for a longer period and...
[10:01]mincho: ... during that time to make seeks
[10:01]jetix: impossible
[10:01]jetix: as i know
[10:02]Acerook: they already stay on a longer period .... stop making these ..."
[10:02]Acerook: o.O what's your question?!
[10:02]mincho: have a nice day
[10:03]krell: dont tell me what kind of day to have
[10:04]Yaughan: It's night anyway
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by hgm »

Well, what did you expect? FICS is populated by humans that only know how to handle accounts for humans. The computers that are on line are not likely to answer your questions...

The solution is to let the client periodically send a command, to prevent the connection from timing out. E.g.

winboard -ics -icshost freechess.org -icshelper timeseal -zp -fcp myengine.exe -fd enginefolder -autoKibitz -keepAlive 10

will send a 'date' command to the server every 10 minutes, and that is enough to not being logged out no matter how long it takes until you get your next game.
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by Mincho Georgiev »

hgm wrote:Well, what did you expect? FICS is populated by humans that only know how to handle accounts for humans. The computers that are on line are not likely to answer your questions...

The solution is to let the client periodically send a command, to prevent the connection from timing out. E.g.

winboard -ics -icshost freechess.org -icshelper timeseal -zp -fcp myengine.exe -fd enginefolder -autoKibitz -keepAlive 10

will send a 'date' command to the server every 10 minutes, and that is enough to not being logged out no matter how long it takes until you get your next game.
Thanks! I manage to handle this other way, but keepAlive seems better alternative!
However, by 'idiocy' i didn't meant the fact that they can't handle computer accounts, instead, i hinted at their attitude:
[10:02]Acerook: they already stay on a longer period .... stop making these ..."
[10:02]Acerook: o.O what's your question?!
[10:02]mincho: have a nice day
[10:03]krell: dont tell me what kind of day to have
[10:04]Yaughan: It's night anyway
adams161
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by adams161 »

The fics channel 1 is an open forum for helping. There is no helper status like on ICC. In many respects i prefer it to ICC. ICC helpers give official sounding answers but you typically have the word of the one helper and that is sort of it even if he or she doesn't know what they are talking about. Fics quality will vary like any participant driven forum based on who is online and talking at the time. As HG pointed out, the average FICS member doesn't run an engine so computer specific help is not their specialty unless someone with engine experience is online and chatting.

As to the banter at the end, well an element of play does get interjected to the help channel on fics at times with frivolous tells made. The admins online will try to moderate the channel when it loses its focus on help if they are around when it happens.

To answer your question my understanding is like TDs as they mentioned, a computer account on fics will not idle out. However as i said in a post a few weeks back, keeping a fics connection alive when idle always seemed more of a challenge for me on fics than on icc. I think hg mullers suggestion is good because even though the server wont disconnect you, a more active connection seems to stay online better, i.e. sending info periodically.

Mike
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by LiquidNitrogenOverclocker »

xcomponent wrote:
hgm wrote:Well, what did you expect? FICS is populated by humans that only know how to handle accounts for humans. The computers that are on line are not likely to answer your questions...

The solution is to let the client periodically send a command, to prevent the connection from timing out. E.g.

winboard -ics -icshost freechess.org -icshelper timeseal -zp -fcp myengine.exe -fd enginefolder -autoKibitz -keepAlive 10

will send a 'date' command to the server every 10 minutes, and that is enough to not being logged out no matter how long it takes until you get your next game.
Thanks! I manage to handle this other way, but keepAlive seems better alternative!
However, by 'idiocy' i didn't meant the fact that they can't handle computer accounts, instead, i hinted at their attitude:
[10:02]Acerook: they already stay on a longer period .... stop making these ..."
[10:02]Acerook: o.O what's your question?!
[10:02]mincho: have a nice day
[10:03]krell: dont tell me what kind of day to have
[10:04]Yaughan: It's night anyway

lol @ it's night anyway!
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by alpha123 »

mincho: have a nice day
krell: dont tell me what kind of day to have
LOL.

That's certainly obnoxious, but I though it was funny anyway :P.

Peter
Mincho Georgiev
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Re: What a idiocy !

Post by Mincho Georgiev »

alpha123 wrote:
mincho: have a nice day
krell: dont tell me what kind of day to have
LOL.

That's certainly obnoxious, but I though it was funny anyway :P.

Peter
That is exactly what I'm pointing out. Anything else is off-topic.
I was so furious that even wrote at the top "a idiocy" instead of "an idiocy".
Whatever, let them be.