VERY INTERESTING Stockfish vs. Houdini Match Has Begun!

[geots]

I have begun what I think will be an interesting, to say the least, match between Houdini 3 x64 & Stockfish 290613 x64 SSE4.2 It is being run with each engine having 6 Cores- at 40/19 repeating, which is the benchmark which adapts it to CEGT and CCRL 40/40 repeating.

I have no clue actually, as I have never run this Stockfish version, nor have I seen much of any results with it. I know that Stockfish seems to do better at the longer controls, and I just have a strange feeling that this version might do well. Houdini is No.1- no argument there. But this may be one of the first matches I have ever run where I would put NO money on Houdini to win it. We shall see. (It is set for 50 games- which may mean some breaks along the way. (After all, the engines need to eat.)




Alienware AURORA_R4
Intel i7 w/6 True Cores
Fritz 11 gui
6 Cores/64bit
256MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 2012b.ctg w/12-move limit
40/19 Repeating- benchmarked to adapt to 40/40
Match=50 games


Later-

[geots]

To add: Any unexpected bugs affecting play and I will switch to version "230613"- which can hold its own against pretty much anything I have seen.


gts

[ZirconiumX]

Latest development Stockfish is about 35 Elo stronger than SF3.

That's Critter territory.

Matthew:out

[Modern Times]

Should be a very interesting match ! Always good to see lots of fast cores at a longish time control.

[carldaman]

Latest development Stockfish is about 35 Elo stronger than SF3.

That's Critter territory.

Matthew:out

Matthew, I thought SF3 was already stronger than Critter.

Regards,
CL

[geots]

As promised, the first update after 12 games. As we speak- in game 13 Stockfish has a very nice position with the black pieces.......

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Stockfish 290613 64 SSE4.2    +4/-1/=7
Houdini 3 x64                 +1/-4/=7

I studied a number of games with a number of Stockfish versions. And so far- what I am referring to- the best ones seem to all have this in common. So far, and I STRESS "so far"- this version seems to do it the best. No way I can be the only one who has noticed this.

The best way to describe it is, in the longer games, it reminds me of Pablo and his "Father" games. Somewhat impenetrable- at times almost "completely impenetrable". DIFFERENCE IS, when Stockfish sees the opening: bam, pow- it's over.


12 games into 50 (might as well say 13- no way Stockfish will lose game 13 with black) and we shall see what we see. This I know: It will require Houdini to play better chess than he has been playing to win. (I must have heard that a million times as well).


Enjoy-

[Uri Blass]

Latest development Stockfish is about 35 Elo stronger than SF3.

That's Critter territory.

Matthew:out

Matthew, I thought SF3 was already stronger than Critter.

Regards,
CL

It is dependent on the time control and the conditions

http://ls-ratinglist.beepworld.de/

10 Critter 1.6a x64 3066 3 3 48000 56% 3023 53%
24 Stockfish 3 x64s 3019 5 5 11000 46% 3050 45%

http://www.inwoba.de/

3 Stockfish 3 2976 9 9 2850 69% 2840 42%
4 Critter 1.4a 2974 10 9 2850 68% 2840 40%

full list

Stockfish 3 2979 9 9 3450 67% 2856 43%
Critter 1.4a 2979 7 7 7000 72% 2805 36%
Critter 1.6a 2972 9 9 3900 69% 2835 41%

CCRL 40/40
http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/

2 Stockfish 3 64-bit 4CPU 3177 +23 −23 56.5% −38.3
3 Critter 1.6a 64-bit 4CPU 3172 +14 −14 58.7% −52.9

[carldaman]

Yes, it is well known that SF suffers at ultra-fast/ hyper-bullet TCs. However, at more tangible TCs (slower than blitz) that humans can better relate to, SF seems to be somewhat (not overwhelmingly) stronger than Critter, especially when taking account the newer development versions.

In any case, the context of this thread deals with a slower-than-blitz time control.
I doubt it needs to gain another 35 points to be in Critter territory.

[geots]

Game 13 was as advertised drawn with Stockfish playing the black pieces.

Game 14- Houdini wins with the black pieces!

Games 15 & 16- Stockfish has back-to-back wins!




Alienware AURORA_R4
Intel i7 w/6 True Cores
Fritz 11 gui
6 Cores/64bit
256MB hash
Bases=NONE
Ponder_Learning=OFF
Perfect 2012b.ctg w/12-move limit
40/19 Repeating- benchmarked to adapt to 40/40
Match=50 games

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Stockfish 290613 64 SSE4.2    +6/-2/=8
Houdini 3 x64                 +2/-6/=8

Interesting, to say the least.

gts

[geots]

Game 17- Houdini playing the white pieces. Stockfish has moved both Rooks and his King is where he started- untouched- at move 30. Short-circuit? No respect for Houdini? The guts of a riverboat gambler?

Probably not the best way to play Houdini. We shall see.....................