Lc0 wins TCEC Cup 11 Final

[Eduard]

Lc0 wins TCEC Cup 11 Final

https://tcec-chess.com/

[pgn][Event "TCEC Cup 11 Final"]
[Site "https://tcec-chess.com"]
[Date "2023.01.14"]
[Round "1.15"]
[White "LCZero 0.30-dag-dcb4ece9-BT2-3250000"]
[Black "Stockfish dev16_202301021914"]
[WhiteElo "3599"]
[BlackElo "3627"]
[ECO "C46"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bg7 6. Be3
d6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8. f3 Nxd4 9. Bxd4 Be6 10. O-O-O a6 11. g4 c5
12. Be3 h5 13. g5 Nd7 14. Nd5 O-O 15. f4 f5 16. Bg2 Rc8
17. Rhe1 Nb6 18. Nf6+ Bxf6 19. gxf6 Qxf6 20. e5 dxe5
21. fxe5 Qf7 22. Bf4 Kh7 23. Bf3 Rcd8 24. Qg2 Nd5 25. Qg5
Qg7 26. Rg1 Bf7 27. Qh4 Nxf4 28. Rxd8 Rxd8 29. Qxd8 Qxe5
30. Qd2 Ne6 31. Bxb7 Nd4 32. Kb1 Qc7 33. Bh1 f4 34. b3 Kh6
35. h4 Qe5 36. Re1 Qf6 37. c3 Ne6 38. Bd5 Kg7 39. Kb2 Nd8
40. Rf1 Qxh4 41. Rxf4 Qe7 42. c4 Kh7 43. Re4 Qd6 44. a4
Bxd5 45. cxd5 Kg7 46. a5 Kh7 47. Qf4 Qxf4 48. Rxf4 Kg7
49. Rc4 g5 50. Rxc5 h4 51. b4 h3 52. Rc1 Nf7 53. b5 Kg6
54. bxa6 Ne5 55. Kc3 Nf3 56. a7 h2 57. d6 Ng1 58. a8=Q h1=Q
59. Qxh1 Ne2+ 60. Kd2 Nxc1 61. d7 Nb3+ 62. Ke3 Nd2 63. Kxd2
1-0[/pgn]

Congrats to Lc0 Team!

When was the last time Stockfish lost a final? Stockfish is getting weaker and weaker. There's another new green network today, that's only good for selfplay Elos, nothing more.

[RubiChess]

Stockfish is getting weaker and weaker.

Ede at his best.

[Uri Blass]

Lc0 wins TCEC Cup 11 Final

https://tcec-chess.com/

[pgn][Event "TCEC Cup 11 Final"]
[Site "https://tcec-chess.com"]
[Date "2023.01.14"]
[Round "1.15"]
[White "LCZero 0.30-dag-dcb4ece9-BT2-3250000"]
[Black "Stockfish dev16_202301021914"]
[WhiteElo "3599"]
[BlackElo "3627"]
[ECO "C46"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bg7 6. Be3
d6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8. f3 Nxd4 9. Bxd4 Be6 10. O-O-O a6 11. g4 c5
12. Be3 h5 13. g5 Nd7 14. Nd5 O-O 15. f4 f5 16. Bg2 Rc8
17. Rhe1 Nb6 18. Nf6+ Bxf6 19. gxf6 Qxf6 20. e5 dxe5
21. fxe5 Qf7 22. Bf4 Kh7 23. Bf3 Rcd8 24. Qg2 Nd5 25. Qg5
Qg7 26. Rg1 Bf7 27. Qh4 Nxf4 28. Rxd8 Rxd8 29. Qxd8 Qxe5
30. Qd2 Ne6 31. Bxb7 Nd4 32. Kb1 Qc7 33. Bh1 f4 34. b3 Kh6
35. h4 Qe5 36. Re1 Qf6 37. c3 Ne6 38. Bd5 Kg7 39. Kb2 Nd8
40. Rf1 Qxh4 41. Rxf4 Qe7 42. c4 Kh7 43. Re4 Qd6 44. a4
Bxd5 45. cxd5 Kg7 46. a5 Kh7 47. Qf4 Qxf4 48. Rxf4 Kg7
49. Rc4 g5 50. Rxc5 h4 51. b4 h3 52. Rc1 Nf7 53. b5 Kg6
54. bxa6 Ne5 55. Kc3 Nf3 56. a7 h2 57. d6 Ng1 58. a8=Q h1=Q
59. Qxh1 Ne2+ 60. Kd2 Nxc1 61. d7 Nb3+ 62. Ke3 Nd2 63. Kxd2
1-0[/pgn]

Congrats to Lc0 Team!

When was the last time Stockfish lost a final? Stockfish is getting weaker and weaker. There's another new green network today, that's only good for selfplay Elos, nothing more.

Or maybe the opponents get stronger.

Do you have a test that show that older version of stockfish could win the TCEC cup final?

Edit:I do not know if the new network of today is productive against other engines or for long time control and it seems that the developers have no interest in it (otherwise they could use their machines to do other tests except stockfish-stockfish games).

[criko]

Eddie is the only person on our planet do develop great engines

[Eduard]

Lc0 wins TCEC Cup 11 Final

https://tcec-chess.com/

[pgn][Event "TCEC Cup 11 Final"]
[Site "https://tcec-chess.com"]
[Date "2023.01.14"]
[Round "1.15"]
[White "LCZero 0.30-dag-dcb4ece9-BT2-3250000"]
[Black "Stockfish dev16_202301021914"]
[WhiteElo "3599"]
[BlackElo "3627"]
[ECO "C46"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 g6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bg7 6. Be3
d6 7. Qd2 Nf6 8. f3 Nxd4 9. Bxd4 Be6 10. O-O-O a6 11. g4 c5
12. Be3 h5 13. g5 Nd7 14. Nd5 O-O 15. f4 f5 16. Bg2 Rc8
17. Rhe1 Nb6 18. Nf6+ Bxf6 19. gxf6 Qxf6 20. e5 dxe5
21. fxe5 Qf7 22. Bf4 Kh7 23. Bf3 Rcd8 24. Qg2 Nd5 25. Qg5
Qg7 26. Rg1 Bf7 27. Qh4 Nxf4 28. Rxd8 Rxd8 29. Qxd8 Qxe5
30. Qd2 Ne6 31. Bxb7 Nd4 32. Kb1 Qc7 33. Bh1 f4 34. b3 Kh6
35. h4 Qe5 36. Re1 Qf6 37. c3 Ne6 38. Bd5 Kg7 39. Kb2 Nd8
40. Rf1 Qxh4 41. Rxf4 Qe7 42. c4 Kh7 43. Re4 Qd6 44. a4
Bxd5 45. cxd5 Kg7 46. a5 Kh7 47. Qf4 Qxf4 48. Rxf4 Kg7
49. Rc4 g5 50. Rxc5 h4 51. b4 h3 52. Rc1 Nf7 53. b5 Kg6
54. bxa6 Ne5 55. Kc3 Nf3 56. a7 h2 57. d6 Ng1 58. a8=Q h1=Q
59. Qxh1 Ne2+ 60. Kd2 Nxc1 61. d7 Nb3+ 62. Ke3 Nd2 63. Kxd2
1-0[/pgn]

Congrats to Lc0 Team!

When was the last time Stockfish lost a final? Stockfish is getting weaker and weaker. There's another new green network today, that's only good for selfplay Elos, nothing more.

Or maybe the opponents get stronger.

Do you have a test that show that older version of stockfish could win the TCEC cup final?

Edit:I do not know if the new network of today is productive against other engines or for long time control and it seems that the developers have no interest in it (otherwise they could use their machines to do other tests except stockfish-stockfish games).

As far as I know, the new nets are trained with more and more Lc0 games. As a result, Stockfish's playing style adapts more and more to Lc0. Too bad that the original (namely Lc0) can play this style better. The new nets are making the big cat SF more and more a tame cat. I noticed this and threw the new nets out of my engine some time ago.

[towforce]

As far as I know, the new nets are trained with more and more Lc0 games. As a result, Stockfish's playing style adapts more and more to Lc0. Too bad that the original (namely Lc0) can play this style better. The new nets are making the big cat SF more and more a tame cat. I noticed this and threw the new nets out of my engine some time ago.

Hasn't Lc0 recently improved, or have I misremembered? Didn't people say that version 0.29, the 13-Dec-22 release (32 days ago), was an impressive jump?

[dkappe]

As far as I know, the new nets are trained with more and more Lc0 games. As a result, Stockfish's playing style adapts more and more to Lc0. Too bad that the original (namely Lc0) can play this style better. The new nets are making the big cat SF more and more a tame cat. I noticed this and threw the new nets out of my engine some time ago.

Hasn't Lc0 recently improved, or have I misremembered? Didn't people say that version 0.29, the 13-Dec-22 release (32 days ago), was an impressive jump?

I think neither SF nor lc0 have improved for about a year. Isn’t that right? That would explain everything.

[towforce]

As far as I know, the new nets are trained with more and more Lc0 games. As a result, Stockfish's playing style adapts more and more to Lc0. Too bad that the original (namely Lc0) can play this style better. The new nets are making the big cat SF more and more a tame cat. I noticed this and threw the new nets out of my engine some time ago.

Hasn't Lc0 recently improved, or have I misremembered? Didn't people say that version 0.29, the 13-Dec-22 release (32 days ago), was an impressive jump?

I think neither SF nor lc0 have improved for about a year. Isn’t that right? That would explain everything.

Hmmm... if neither had improved, wouldn't one expect SF to be winning tournaments rather than Lc0?

[dkappe]

As far as I know, the new nets are trained with more and more Lc0 games. As a result, Stockfish's playing style adapts more and more to Lc0. Too bad that the original (namely Lc0) can play this style better. The new nets are making the big cat SF more and more a tame cat. I noticed this and threw the new nets out of my engine some time ago.

Hasn't Lc0 recently improved, or have I misremembered? Didn't people say that version 0.29, the 13-Dec-22 release (32 days ago), was an impressive jump?

I think neither SF nor lc0 have improved for about a year. Isn’t that right? That would explain everything.

Hmmm... if neither had improved, wouldn't one expect SF to be winning tournaments rather than Lc0?

You are attempting to apply logic to the facts. That’s way you end up with preposterous conclusions like SF15.1 being stronger than SF7.

[Robert Flesher]

I cannot find this version of Leela anywhere ? Is it private?