I'm disappointed with Stockfish dev.

[Eduard]

I'm disappointed with Stockfish dev!

I'm sorry to say it again. But: I like Stockfish dev. not. This is just a Bullet King. Today there was another new network! Already 6 new nets from Linrock. And when I test the engine, I'm honestly very disappointed.

Here are two positions:
(Analyzes on Ryzen 3900X with 20 threads)


[fen]1r3rk1/1bqnbpp1/p2ppn1B/1p6/4PP1Q/PNNB4/1PP3PP/1K1R3R b - - 0 16[/fen]


Analysis by Stockfish dev-20230209-05dea2ca:

30...Qb5 31.Qf3 Kg7 32.Rxe6 Rxe6 33.Nf5+ Kf7 34.Qh3 Kg8 35.Nxd4 Qe8 36.Nxe6 Qxe6 37.f4 a5 38.f5 Qe8 39.Qh4 Qf7 40.Qf2 Rd8 41.Ra1 b3 42.Rb1 a4 43.cxb3 axb3 44.Qe3 gxf5 45.gxf5 Kh8 46.d4 Qc4 47.Rxb3 Qf1+ 48.Qg1 Qf4 49.Qe1 Rxd4 50.Rb8+ Kg7 51.Qg3+ Qxg3 52.hxg3 Rxe4 53.Rc8 Rc4 54.Rxc7+ Kh6 55.Rc8 Kg5 56.Kg2 Kxf5 57.Kh3 Ke5 58.c6 Kd6 59.c7 Rxc7 60.Ra8 Ke6 61.Kg2 Kf7 62.Kf3 Rc3+ 63.Kf2
= (0.07 --) Depth: 46/66 00:00:35 698MN, tb=47011
The position is equal

Qb5?? loses immediately!


[fen]1r3rk1/1bqnbpp1/p2ppn1B/1p6/4PP1Q/PNNB4/1PP3PP/1K1R3R b - - 0 1[/fen]


Analysis by Stockfish dev-20230209-05dea2ca:

16...gxh6 17.g4
= (0.13 --) Depth: 46/52 00:01:03 1175MN, tb=35710
The position is equal

gxh6 is critical +/-! Nd5= is significantly better!

In both positions Stockfish dev. weak.

Here is an analysis of my engine Charisma Blitz (can be downloaded from my homepage):

Pos 1:

r3r2k/p1pq3p/R3bppN/2P5/1p1pP1P1/3P4/2P2P1P/3Q2RK b - - 0 1

Analysis by Charisma Blitz-avx2:

30...Qe7 31.Qd2 Qxc5 32.h4 c6 33.Rga1 Qe5 34.Kg2 c5 35.Rxa7 Rxa7 36.Rxa7 Qb8 37.Ra1 Qc7 38.f3 Kg7 39.g5 f5 40.Qe1 fxe4 41.fxe4 Qf4 42.Ra7+ Kf8 43.Rxh7 Re7 44.Rh8+ Kg7 45.Rd8
+/= (0.40) Depth: 29/45 00:00:06 132MN, tb=428
White is slightly better

Pos 2:

1r3rk1/1bqnbpp1/p2ppn1B/1p6/4PP1Q/PNNB4/1PP3PP/1K1R3R b - - 0 1

Analysis by Charisma Blitz-avx2:

16...Nd5 17.Nxd5 Bxh4 18.Nxc7 gxh6 19.f5 exf5 20.Be2 Rbc8 21.Nd5 fxe4 22.Ne3 Nc5 23.Nf5 Bf2 24.Nxd6 Nxb3 25.Nxb7 Nd4 26.Rhf1 Rxc2 27.Rxf2 Rxe2 28.Rxe2 Nxe2 29.Re1 Nd4 30.Rxe4 Ne6 31.Rg4+ Kh7 32.Rg3 f5 33.Rc3 Nf4 34.g3 Nh5 35.Nc5 Rf6 36.Nd7 Rd6 37.Ne5
= (0.18) Depth: 36/49 00:00:22 427MN, tb=3719
The position is equal

I'm not against Stockfish, but I'm very disappointed, sorry! There are more such positions, these are just 2 examples. Try it yourself! That's why I prefer to make my own clone!

[Eduard]

Why is no diagram here??

[peter]

Why is no diagram here??

It is, but only for those, who use insecure browser- address.
Not joking, try http instead of https and you will see the dias, regards

[Eduard]

I'm using Microsoft Edge latest version, if that doesn't work

https://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=81509

then the forum is doing something wrong.

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[RubiChess]

I'm disappointed with Stockfish dev!
I'm sorry to say it again. But: I like Stockfish dev. not. This is just a Bullet King. Today there was another new network! Already 6 new nets from Linrock. And when I test the engine, I'm honestly very disappointed.
...
That's why I prefer to make my own clone!

Never ending story... I will remember you how disappointing Stockfish is when you fork it for your next clone.
Maybe you should stop cloning to avoid all these disappointments.

[Eduard]

I'm disappointed with Stockfish dev!
I'm sorry to say it again. But: I like Stockfish dev. not. This is just a Bullet King. Today there was another new network! Already 6 new nets from Linrock. And when I test the engine, I'm honestly very disappointed.
...
That's why I prefer to make my own clone!

Never ending story... I will remember you how disappointing Stockfish is when you fork it for your next clone.
Maybe you should stop cloning to avoid all these disappointments.

It's always the same: I'm unnecessarily provoked. I started cloning because I wasn't satisfied with Stockfish in my analysis. Both positions above are from two games that Stockfish dev. lost on my computer! The second position is an opening theory position in Sicilian. It takes me too long on 20 threads for Stockfish to see the light. I have two computers that are 3x slower (laptop with only 7000 kns, but not bad). Stockfish sees even less. You do what you want, I'll do what I want. I hope to have convinced at least one reader here that Stockfish (especially tactically) is getting worse with his new linrock nets (I don't use them).

[dkappe]

I'm disappointed with Stockfish dev!
I'm sorry to say it again. But: I like Stockfish dev. not. This is just a Bullet King. Today there was another new network! Already 6 new nets from Linrock. And when I test the engine, I'm honestly very disappointed.
...
That's why I prefer to make my own clone!

Never ending story... I will remember you how disappointing Stockfish is when you fork it for your next clone.
Maybe you should stop cloning to avoid all these disappointments.

While I find cloning Stockfish rather boring, the act of cloning is welcomed and encouraged by its license.

[Eduard]

What's wrong with cloning? I do not get it! I can change the style of Stockfish so more tactical turns are found faster. The developers only test Bullet 10s+0.1s and 60s+0.1s. What am I supposed to do with that? Can you also say something about the two positions? Or are you not interested in that? That would be poor.

[RubiChess]

It's always the same: I'm unnecessarily provoked. I started cloning because I wasn't satisfied with Stockfish in my analysis.

Oh, I'm sorry. I totally missed that "I'm very disappointed with Stockfish dev." is just your way to say: "Thank you SF developers for all your time, work and hardware resources to develop the best chess engine in the world and give it to me for free. But while proving in millions of games and even more positions that it finds the best move faster than any other engine, it still misses one or two positions."

I still have to remember that there are people out there with a buggy user interface.

Regards, Andreas

[RubiChess]

While I find cloning Stockfish rather boring, the act of cloning is welcomed and encouraged by its license.

Nobody denied that.