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Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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TOP ENGINES UNFASHIONABLE OPENINGS

AMD Ryzen 5950x
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
6 piece tablebases
Ponder off
UnfashionableLines.cgb book
12 minutes with 8 second increments.
10 cycles 140 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Each of the following 10 opening lines will be played in each of the 10 cycles:

1. b4
1. Nc3
1. e4 d5 2. exd5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
1. d4 f5
1. f3
1. e4 e5 2. f4
1. e4 Nf6
1. f4 e5 *
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
Participants

Stockfish 16.1 64-bit
Torch v2 64-bit
Dragon by Komodo 3.3 64-bit
Berserk 13 64-bit
PlentyChess 1.0.0 64-bit
Caissa 1.18 64-bit
RubiChess 20241112 64-bit
Obsidian 12.0 64-bit


Web based link for live viewing (courtesy of Jay - Berserk author).
https://ccrl.live/16069

Alternatively, if you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=42959
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16069
Linux users can use Livius:
https://github.com/kmar/livius

There is also a Livius windows version.
It has live pv boards as a nice addition.
http://www.crabaware.com/livius/
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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TOP ENGINES UNFASHIONABLE OPENINGS

AMD Ryzen 5950x
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
6 piece tablebases
Ponder off
UnfashionableLines.cgb book
12 minutes with 8 second increments.
10 cycles 140 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Each of the following 10 opening lines will be played in each of the 10 cycles:

1. b4
1. Nc3
1. e4 d5 2. exd5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
1. d4 f5
1. f3
1. e4 e5 2. f4
1. e4 Nf6
1. f4 e5 *
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
Standings after Round 14

7.5 - Dragon 3.3 by Komodo 64-bit
7.0 - Berserk 13 64-bit
7.0 - Caissa 1.18 64-bit
7.0 - Obsidian 12.0 64-bit
7.0 - RubiChess 20240112 64-bit
7.0 - Stockfish 16.1 64-bit
7.0 - Torch v2 64-bit
6.5 - PlentyChess 1.0.0 64-bit
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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The first cycle was with 1. Nc3

The cycle now playing is 1. f3
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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TOP ENGINES UNFASHIONABLE OPENINGS

AMD Ryzen 5950x
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
6 piece tablebases
Ponder off
UnfashionableLines.cgb book
12 minutes with 8 second increments.
10 cycles 140 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Each of the following 10 opening lines will be played in each of the 10 cycles:

1. b4
1. Nc3
1. e4 d5 2. exd5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
1. d4 f5
1. f3
1. e4 e5 2. f4
1. e4 Nf6
1. f4 e5 *
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
Standings after Round 28

17.5 - Stockfish 16.1 64-bit
15.0 - Dragon 3.3 by Komodo 64-bit
15.0 - Berserk 13 64-bit
13.5 - RubiChess 20240112 64-bit
13.5 - Torch v2 64-bit
13.0 - Caissa 1.18 64-bit
12.5 - Obsidian 12.0 64-bit
12.0 - PlentyChess 1.0.0 64-bit
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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Next up is 1. e4 d5 2. exd5
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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TOP ENGINES UNFASHIONABLE OPENINGS

AMD Ryzen 5950x
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
6 piece tablebases
Ponder off
UnfashionableLines.cgb book
12 minutes with 8 second increments.
10 cycles 140 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Each of the following 10 opening lines will be played in each of the 10 cycles:

1. b4
1. Nc3
1. e4 d5 2. exd5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
1. d4 f5
1. f3
1. e4 e5 2. f4
1. e4 Nf6
1. f4 e5 *
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
Standings after Round 42

27.5 - Stockfish 16.1 64-bit
24.0 - Dragon 3.3 by Komodo 64-bit
22.5 - Berserk 13 64-bit
22.0 - Torch v2 64-bit
19.5 - Obsidian 12.0 64-bit
18.5 - RubiChess 20240112 64-bit
17.5 - Caissa 1.18 64-bit
16.5 - PlentyChess 1.0.0 64-bit
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The next cycle will have 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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TOP ENGINES UNFASHIONABLE OPENINGS

AMD Ryzen 5950x
ChessGUI
256mb hash each where possible
6 piece tablebases
Ponder off
UnfashionableLines.cgb book
12 minutes with 8 second increments.
10 cycles 140 rounds
All engines 1CPU (64-bit where available)
Each of the following 10 opening lines will be played in each of the 10 cycles:

1. b4
1. Nc3
1. e4 d5 2. exd5
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
1. d4 f5
1. f3
1. e4 e5 2. f4
1. e4 Nf6
1. f4 e5 *
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6
Standings after Round 56

35.0 - Stockfish 16.1 64-bit
32.0 - Dragon 3.3 by Komodo 64-bit
30.5 - Torch v2 64-bit
30.0 - Berserk 13 64-bit
26.0 - Obsidian 12.0 64-bit
24.5 - RubiChess 20240112 64-bit
23.0 - Caissa 1.18 64-bit
23.0 - PlentyChess 1.0.0 64-bit
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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The next cycle of games will start with 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3
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Re: Top Engines Unfashionable Openings

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It seems that these are not the only book moves
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3

I download the game and I see many book moves after 3.c3 and black got a winning position out of book after 21.Kh1

[pgn][Site "Top Engines Unfashionable Openings"]
[Date "2024.05.03"]
[White "RubiChess 20240112 (avx2)"]
[Black "PlentyChess 1.0.0-dev"]

1. e4 {(Book)} e5 {(Book)} 2. Nf3 {(Book)} Nc6 {(Book)} 3. c3 {(Book)} d5 {(Book)} 4. Qa4 {(Book)} f6 {(Book)} 5. d3 {(Book)} Be6 {(Book)} 6. Nbd2 {(Book)} Qd7 {(Book)} 7. Be2 {(Book)} Nge7 {(Book)} 8. O-O {(Book)} g5 {(Book)} 9. Nb3 {(Book)} Ng6 {(Book)} 10. Rd1 {(Book)} a6 {(Book)} 11. exd5 {(Book)} Bxd5 {(Book)} 12. d4 {(Book)} b5 {(Book)} 13. Bxb5 {(Book)} Bxf3 {(Book)} 14. gxf3 {(Book)} axb5 {(Book)} 15. Qxa8+ {(Book)} Kf7 {(Book)} 16. d5 {(Book)} Qh3 {(Book)} 17. Qxc6 {(Book)} Bd6 {(Book)} 18. Nc5 {(Book)} Rd8 {(Book)} 19. Bxg5 {(Book)} e4 {(Book)} 20. Nxe4 {(Book)} Bxh2+ {(Book)} 21. Kh1 {(Book)} Bd6+ {(Bd6+ Kg1 Ne5 Nxd6+ cxd6 Qc7+ Rd7 Qxd7+ Qxd7 Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+) 3.66/33 21} 22. Kg1 {(Kg1) -3.28/1 1} Ne5 {(Ne5 Nxd6+ cxd6 Qb7+ Kg6 Rd3 Rg8 Qe7 Kxg5 Qe6 Qxe6 dxe6 Nxd3 Rd1 Kf5+ Kh2 Nxb2 Rxd6 Na4 Rd5+ Kxe6 Rxb5 Nxc3 Ra5 Rd8) 3.97/32 13} 23. Nxd6+ {(Nxd6+ cxd6 Qc7+ Kg6 Rd3 Rd7 Qc8 Nxd3 Qg8+ Rg7 Qe6 Qxe6 dxe6 fxg5 Rd1 Nxb2 Rxd6 Re7 Kg2 Na4 Rc6 Kf5 a3 Rxe6 Rc7) -3.37/26 24} cxd6 {(cxd6 Qc7+ Rd7 Qxd7+ Qxd7 Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 a4 bxa4 Bc7 Qc4+ Kg2 Qxc7 Rd4 Qe5) 3.95/32 24} 24. Qb7+ {(Qb7+ Kg6 Rd3 Rg8 Qe7 Kxg5 Qe6 Qxe6 dxe6 Nxd3 Rd1 Nxb2 Rxd6 Kf5+ Kh2 Nc4 Rd5+ Kxe6 Rxb5 Ra8 Rb4 Ne5 a4 Nxf3+ Kg3) -3.34/29 25} Rd7 {(Rd7 Qxd7+ Qxd7 Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+ Ke1 Ne4 Bg3 h4 Bxh4 Qh1+) 4.21/33 31} 25. Qxd7+ {(Qxd7+ Qxd7 Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 h4 c4 h3 cxb5 Nd4 Rxd4 Qxd4 Bg3 Qxd5 Ke1 h2 Rc7+) -2.87/24 21} Qxd7 {(Qxd7 Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+ Ke1 Ne4 Bg3 h4 Bxh4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxh4) 4.30/32 16} 26. Bf4 {(Bf4 Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 h4 c4 h3 cxb5 Nd4) -3.07/27 17} Nxf3+ {(Nxf3+ Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+ Ke1 Ne4 Bg3 h4 Bxh4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxh4 Rf1 Nc5) 4.08/32 15} 27. Kf1 {(Kf1) -3.13/27 9} Qh3+ {(Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+ Ke1 Ne4 Bg3 h4 Bxh4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxh4 cxb5 Qxf2+ Kd3 f5) 4.26/29 15} 28. Ke2 {(Kf1 Qh3+ Ke2 Qg4 Ke3 Nh4 Bg3 Nf5+ Kd2 h5 Rf1 h4 Bh2 Qg2 Bf4 Qxd5+ Ke2 h3 Bg3 Qg2 Kd3 Nxg3 fxg3 Qxb2 Rae1) -3.13/27 1} Qg4 {(Qg4 Bxd6 Qe4+ Kf1 h5 Rac1 Ng5 c4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qf3+ Ke1 Ne4 Bg3 h4 Bxh4 Qh1+ Ke2 Qxh4 cxb5 Qxf2+ Kd3 f5 b4 Ke7) 4.35/29 15}[/pgn]