How Long?

[Terry McCracken]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

[Terry McCracken]

Talking about the DF10 vs Kramnik match, did anyone notice that DF10 was only running on a laptop for that match...
(conclusions drawn from wrong facts snipped)

If you see a notebook on a photo from such events, as almost always nowadays, it doesn't mean that it's the only computer involved They are connected to the bigger machines. Against Kramnik in Bonn, Fritz was running on a quad core (2*Intel Core 2 Duo 5160 with 3 GHz).

[Steve B]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

[Terry McCracken]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

ICC should have some stats. In general grandmasters don't seem to care about computers, so there is no hard science for computers being better or better with Black et al.

Terry

[Steve B]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

ICC should have some stats. In general grandmasters don't seem to care about computers, so there is no hard science for computers being better or better with Black et al.

Terry

how about in recent matches
with Kasparov,Krammink,Anand..etc..etc.??

i mean real matches ..straight up
not the goofy pawn odds matches Kaufman dreams up

Steve

[Terry McCracken]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

ICC should have some stats. In general grandmasters don't seem to care about computers, so there is no hard science for computers being better or better with Black et al.

Terry

how about in recent matches
with Kasparov,Krammink,Anand..etc..etc.??

i mean real matches ..straight up
not the goofy pawn odds matches Kaufman dreams up

Steve

Kasparov showed far better understang of chess then Junior or Fritz ever could regardless of which side of the board he was on.

Unfortunately he fouled up a few wins that weren't difficult for him both FritzX 3-D and Junior where he offereded a draw with Black in a winning position.

Kramnik loses with mate in one...hardly interesting...too busy eyeing his girlfriend, now wife, I suppose

Terry

[gerold]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

ICC should have some stats. In general grandmasters don't seem to care about computers, so there is no hard science for computers being better or better with Black et al.

Terry

how about in recent matches
with Kasparov,Krammink,Anand..etc..etc.??

i mean real matches ..straight up
not the goofy pawn odds matches Kaufman dreams up

Steve

Kasparov showed far better understang of chess then Junior or Fritz ever could regardless of which side of the board he was on.

Unfortunately he fouled up a few wins that weren't difficult for him both FritzX 3-D and Junior where he offereded a draw with Black in a winning position.

Kramnik loses with mate in one...hardly interesting...too busy eyeing his girlfriend, now wife, I suppose

Terry

If Pablo can draw and beat top computers, looks like the computers
have a ways to go.

[Terry McCracken]

i think there is a significant difference in the results GMs get Today against the top Engines depending on the first move

as White i think they are still playing close to equal but with the Black pieces its already no contest

i wonder if anyone has recent statistics on that?

Ebony and Ivory Regards
Steve

Are you sure?

sure ..no
but i think so
thats why i would like to see some statistics on it..either way

Best
Steve

ICC should have some stats. In general grandmasters don't seem to care about computers, so there is no hard science for computers being better or better with Black et al.

Terry

how about in recent matches
with Kasparov,Krammink,Anand..etc..etc.??

i mean real matches ..straight up
not the goofy pawn odds matches Kaufman dreams up

Steve

Kasparov showed far better understang of chess then Junior or Fritz ever could regardless of which side of the board he was on.

Unfortunately he fouled up a few wins that weren't difficult for him both FritzX 3-D and Junior where he offereded a draw with Black in a winning position.

Kramnik loses with mate in one...hardly interesting...too busy eyeing his girlfriend, now wife, I suppose

Terry

If Pablo can draw and beat top computers, looks like the computers
have a ways to go.

Yes...computers still have some serious holes in them!

[Graham Banks]

If Pablo can draw and beat top computers, looks like the computers
have a ways to go.

I don't count his wins on time as bona fide wins Gerold.

[Laszlo Gaspar]

Hi all!

In my opinion we can state that machines are better when they are better at all time controls (correspondence chess included), and the difference is bigger with longer time.
I think we haven't reached this point yet...