hgm wrote:Agreed, it started out as an illegal act. But it can be legalized "retrogradely". If someone takes my bicycle without asking, he technically exposes himself to theft charges. However, if I don't file those chargers, but say "good luck with it" because I wanted to discard it anyway, he becomes the legal owner (next to being the posessor)..
OK, I can go along with that.
But as far as Strelka is concerned until Vas advises otherwise and acts on that......
It is a clone.
Christopher
It is, and no one sane would disagree on that.
But Who's Sane? Regards,
Terry
I was beginning to wonder exactly that....
Christopher
Another week of this S&R, and I doubt anyone here will remain sane!
Christopher Conkie wrote:I saw your links. The one above is mine.
From your source, this is an interesting clause, though...
Different countries have different exceptions to the copyright owner's rights or precedent has been established in court proceedings. This means that these uses are allowed by law. The most common ones are:
* Decompilation/disassembly for the purposes of interoperability (to another piece of software or hardware) where the interface specification has not been made available,
* Decompilation/disassembly for the purposes of error correction where the owner of the copyright is not available to make the correction, and
* To determine parts of the program that are not protected by copyright (e.g. algorithms), without breach of other forms of protection (e.g. patents or trade secrets).
What are you talking about?
The guy knew what was protected by copyright before he disassembled it.
All of it was copyright.
At that point there he should not have done what he did.
Why is this so hard for grown adults to understand?
He went ahead although and did what is NOT allowed in violation of the copyright of Rybka.
Simple.
Christopher
Algorithms are NOT protected by copyright.
Algorithms can only be protected by a patent.
hgm wrote:Agreed, it started out as an illegal act. But it can be legalized "retrogradely". If someone takes my bicycle without asking, he technically exposes himself to theft charges. However, if I don't file those chargers, but say "good luck with it" because I wanted to discard it anyway, he becomes the legal owner (next to being the posessor)..
OK, I can go along with that.
But as far as Strelka is concerned until Vas advises otherwise and acts on that......
It is a clone.
Christopher
It is, and no one sane would disagree on that.
But Who's Sane? Regards,
Terry
I was beginning to wonder exactly that....
Christopher
Another week of this S&R, and I doubt anyone here will remain sane!
Terry
Terry,
There are serious doubts whether anyone here was sane to begin with except possibly you, me and Rolf! And there is some doubt about you!
"Limiting the scope of copyright protection for programs is a provision indicating that program languages, rules, and algorithms are not protected by copyright law."
"Limiting the scope of copyright protection for programs is a provision indicating that program languages, rules, and algorithms are not protected by copyright law."
So decompilation of copyright material is not a crime according to you.
"Limiting the scope of copyright protection for programs is a provision indicating that program languages, rules, and algorithms are not protected by copyright law."
So decompilation of copyright material is not a crime according to you.
I cant wait for you to make Corka.......
No, not according to international law.
As far as right and wrong, I don't have a distinct opinion either way.
I have no idea what Corka is.
hgm wrote:Agreed, it started out as an illegal act. But it can be legalized "retrogradely". If someone takes my bicycle without asking, he technically exposes himself to theft charges. However, if I don't file those chargers, but say "good luck with it" because I wanted to discard it anyway, he becomes the legal owner (next to being the posessor)..
OK, I can go along with that.
But as far as Strelka is concerned until Vas advises otherwise and acts on that......
It is a clone.
Christopher
It is, and no one sane would disagree on that.
But Who's Sane? Regards,
Terry
I was beginning to wonder exactly that....
Christopher
Another week of this S&R, and I doubt anyone here will remain sane!
Terry
Terry,
There are serious doubts whether anyone here was sane to begin with except possibly you, me and Rolf! And there is some doubt about you!
Corka is the name of your new chess engine that you can make (legally as you seem to think) with the Strelka source Dann.
Should be easy for you as there is some Beowulf in there anyway........
I bet its around the 2700 elo mark...a big improvement.....and not before time.
Why program when you can just steal the code?
Congratulations.
Christopher
Clearly you do not understand a simple statement of fact:
Algorithms are not protected by copyright -- only the specific instance. And so if I write my own instance of an algorithm -- even though it uses the exact same principles and methods -- it is perfectly legal.
Whether it is *moral* or not is another question entirely and I do not know the answer to that question.
Now, it is true that I do steal information. I did not invent the alpha-beta algorithm and yet I use it with glee. Same for hash tables. Worst of all, I feel no remorse whatsoever.
On the other, other hand, I would take no enjoyment at all out of simply duplicating someone else's work. Why someone would want to do that is simply beside me.
And there is some doubt about you! 