Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Division

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Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Division

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Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
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Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

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pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tony Thomas

Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

Post by Tony Thomas »

Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tiger lost against Movei as well. So the Climbing is based on the other 8 rounds.
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Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

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Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tiger lost against Movei as well. So the Climbing is based on the other 8 rounds.
Tony, I believe that Chess Tiger 2007 had bad luck playing on this tourney , since the difference compared to Movei 0.8.438 in your first rating List is over 160 rating points, which I see a little bit too high for Chess Tiger 2007 UCi, or too low for Movei 0.8.438 :roll:

http://64.68.157.89/forum/viewtopic.php ... 73&t=18130

Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draws


7 ChessTiger2007UCI : 2797 41 40 360 86.9 % 2468 18.9 %

28 Movei00_8_438 : 2629 49 50 152 36.5 % 2725 24.3 %
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Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

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pichy wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tiger lost against Movei as well. So the Climbing is based on the other 8 rounds.
Tony, I believe that Chess Tiger 2007 had bad luck playing on this tourney , since the difference compared to Movei 0.8.438 in your first rating List is over 160 rating points, which I see a little bit too high for Chess Tiger 2007 UCi, or too low for Movei 0.8.438 :roll:

http://64.68.157.89/forum/viewtopic.php ... 73&t=18130
The rating difference is clearly smaller than 160 elo

From the ccrl 4040 list

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/r ... t_all.html



Movei 00.8.438(10 10 10) 2845 +270 −208 83.3% −187.5 33.3% 6
16 Chess Tiger 2007 2794 +16 −16 42.5% +51.7 40.0% 1359
52.8%
Chess Tiger 2007.1 2792 +15 −15 43.5% +44.2 41.4% 1540
50.2%
21 Movei 00.8.438 2747 +21 −21 53.1% −19.1 38.6% 761
53.5%
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Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

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Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tiger lost against Movei as well. So the Climbing is based on the other 8 rounds.
Tony, I believe that Chess Tiger 2007 had bad luck playing on this tourney , since the difference compared to Movei 0.8.438 in your first rating List is over 160 rating points, which I see a little bit too high for Chess Tiger 2007 UCi, or too low for Movei 0.8.438 :roll:

http://64.68.157.89/forum/viewtopic.php ... 73&t=18130
The rating difference is clearly smaller than 160 elo

From the ccrl 4040 list

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/r ... t_all.html



Movei 00.8.438(10 10 10) 2845 +270 −208 83.3% −187.5 33.3% 6


16 Chess Tiger 2007 2794 +16 −16 42.5% +51.7 40.0% 1359
52.8%
Chess Tiger 2007.1 2792 +15 −15 43.5% +44.2 41.4% 1540
50.2%

21 Movei 00.8.438 2747 +21 −21 53.1% −19.1 38.6% 761
53.5%
Amazing that a little setting change can increase Movei by 98 rating points, (10 10 10) must be the settings that wbec is using :shock:
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Re: Chess Tiger2007 is climbing to the top of this 1st Divis

Post by Uri Blass »

pichy wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
pichy wrote:Chess Tiger 2007-1 had a bad start, but slowly is climbing to the top of the 1st Division, and it already has played the best programs of this division, I truly believe that Chess Tiger will eventually pull it and end up in the first three places at the end of the match.


PS: Movei 0.8.438 so far is having a great outcome too, and it might finish 1st or second :wink:

http://wbec-ridderkerk.nl/html/1stdiv.htm
Tiger lost against prodeo in the last 4 games
so the climbing is based on earlier rounds than round 10.

Uri
Tiger lost against Movei as well. So the Climbing is based on the other 8 rounds.
Tony, I believe that Chess Tiger 2007 had bad luck playing on this tourney , since the difference compared to Movei 0.8.438 in your first rating List is over 160 rating points, which I see a little bit too high for Chess Tiger 2007 UCi, or too low for Movei 0.8.438 :roll:

http://64.68.157.89/forum/viewtopic.php ... 73&t=18130
The rating difference is clearly smaller than 160 elo

From the ccrl 4040 list

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/r ... t_all.html



Movei 00.8.438(10 10 10) 2845 +270 −208 83.3% −187.5 33.3% 6


16 Chess Tiger 2007 2794 +16 −16 42.5% +51.7 40.0% 1359
52.8%
Chess Tiger 2007.1 2792 +15 −15 43.5% +44.2 41.4% 1540
50.2%

21 Movei 00.8.438 2747 +21 −21 53.1% −19.1 38.6% 761
53.5%
Amazing that a little setting change can increase Movei by 98 rating points, (10 10 10) must be the settings that wbec is using :shock:
Not enough games to know.
I guess that the difference is smaller than 98 rating points but all the rating lists suggest that 10 10 10 is better(I guess that the difference is near 20 elo).

Note that 10 10 10 has only 6 games in CCRL
Maybe 10 10 10 is relatively stronger against weaker opponents but I did not check this theory.

Uri