Who do you think will win Movei vs Bright-02c

[pichy]

Engine Score Mo Br S-B
1: Movei00_8_438 6.0/12 ····10=0=01011== 36.00
1: Bright-0.2c 6.0/12 01=1=10100== ···· 36.00

12 of 40 games played
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
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[Tony Thomas]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

[pichy]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

Engine Score Mo Br S-B
1: Movei00_8_438 21.5/40 ········································ 10=0=01011==1110==11=0011100000==1110101 397.75
2: Bright-0.2c 18.5/40 01=1=10100==0001==00=1100011111==0001010 ········································ 397.75

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
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[Dr.Wael Deeb]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

Engine Score Mo Br S-B
1: Movei00_8_438 21.5/40 ········································ 10=0=01011==1110==11=0011100000==1110101 397.75
2: Bright-0.2c 18.5/40 01=1=10100==0001==00=1100011111==0001010 ········································ 397.75

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
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Sorry to say that,but I think that you are using a stupid generic opening book for Bright,right?
Try using Bright's default opening book and see what comes out of this match....

[pichy]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

You are correct Tony, Bright and Movei are about the same strength, and possibly bright might be a little be stronger than Movei 0_8_438 with the standard personality, but for my test I decided to use Movei0_8_438 with Personality 10 10 10 which is definitively much stronger than the standard personality.

[pichy]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

Engine Score Mo Br S-B
1: Movei00_8_438 21.5/40 ········································ 10=0=01011==1110==11=0011100000==1110101 397.75
2: Bright-0.2c 18.5/40 01=1=10100==0001==00=1100011111==0001010 ········································ 397.75

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
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Sorry to say that,but I think that you are using a stupid generic opening book for Bright,right?

I used the drdeeb.bbk of 1082 KB, but if you wish to call it stupid is up to you. I thought that it was a smart book, or it could be that the other opening book Mainbook that I used for Movei 0_8_438 has better lines


Try using Bright's default opening book and see what comes out of this match....

[Uri Blass]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

You are correct Tony, Bright and Movei are about the same strength, and possibly bright might be a little be stronger than Movei 0_8_438 with the standard personality, but for my test I decided to use Movei0_8_438 with Personality 10 10 10 which is definitively much stronger than the standard personality.

Based on rating lists bright is clearly stronger than movei with generic book including the personality 10 10 10.

from ccrl 40/40

Bright 0.2c 2808 +65 −67 36.4% +86.3 41.4% 70
Bright 0.2b 2803 +26 −26 55.1% −39.9 32.8% 494
51.8%
Movei 00.8.438 (10 10 10) 2765 +42 −42 48.6% +7.1 33.2% 184
Movei 00.8.438 2749 +20 −20 52.3% −14.8 38.1% 803

From ccrl 40/4

Bright-0.2c 2789 +19 −20 46.4% +25.8 28.8% 926
56.0%
Bright-0.2b 2787 +28 −28 49.8% −0.8 30.5% 443
Movei 00.8.438(10 10 10) 2732 +17 −17 49.8% +1.2 32.2% 1210
Movei 00.8.438 2700 +25 −25 42.8% +48.7 29.2% 571

Uri

[Tony Thomas]

To me a 50 point difference in rating wouldnt show clear domination in a 40 game match. Hence the use of "they are about the same strength". I did check CCRL, and my rating list before posting and they seem to concur that Bright got a slight edge.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

To me a 50 point difference in rating wouldnt show clear domination in a 40 game match. Hence the use of "they are about the same strength". I did check CCRL, and my rating list before posting and they seem to concur that Bright got a slight edge.

At long time controls using it's default opening book,Bright is about 80 Elo stronger than Movei bearing in mind that it's an MP chess engine already

[pichy]

A good performance from movei. I would have predicted Bright to win, as it is a better blitzer than Movei.


Edit :My mistake, they are almost the same strength with Bright having a slight advantage.

Engine Score Mo Br S-B
1: Movei00_8_438 21.5/40 ········································ 10=0=01011==1110==11=0011100000==1110101 397.75
2: Bright-0.2c 18.5/40 01=1=10100==0001==00=1100011111==0001010 ········································ 397.75

40 games played / Tournament finished
Name of the tournament: Arena tournament
Site/ Country: Jorge, United States
Level: Blitz 5/1
Hardware: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor 1202 MHz with 512MB Memory
Operating system: Microsoft Windows XP Professional Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
PGN-File: C:\Program Files\Arena\Arena.pgn
Website:
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Sorry to say that,but I think that you are using a stupid generic opening book for Bright,right?
Try using Bright's default opening book and see what comes out of this match....

I was thinking of your statement for a while of naming a particular opening book as stupid. It seems pretty obvious to me that measuring book performance based on game outcomes is nearly useless. Therefore, Harry's books are almost unparalleled in their ability to arrive at decent positions.

PS: Furthermore, I just finished testing bright _0.2c with its default opening book versus Movei 0_8_438 P10 with Harry's Mainbook and the outcome did NOT indicated that Bright gained much by using your book

The second match outcome was 22 to 18 in favor of Bright -0.2c, but i am almost certain that if I run 10 more matches of 40 games each using the same opening book, the outcome will vary favoring one and then the other engine.