AdminX wrote:Decision of the Appeals Committee in the dispute between GMs Ivan Cheparinov and Nigel Short (English)
January 20 2008 – Corus Chess Press
Decision of the Appeals Committee in the dispute between Grandmasters Ivan Cheparinov and Nigel Short (8th round Grandmastergroup B) on January 20th 2008.
The Appeals Committee (GMs Vladimir Kramnik, Michal Krasenkow, Judit Polgar) agrees that refusal to shake hands with one’s opponent before the game is an obvious violation of the behavioural norms of players in chess events.
According to the decision of FIDE Presidential Board taken in June 2007, any player who doesn’t shake hands with his/her opponent (and doesn’t do it after being asked to do so by the arbiter) will immediately lose the game.
However, according to the information obtained by the Appeals Committee, in the relevant case GM Cheparinov, after his initial refusal to shake hands with GM Short, didn’t clearly reject the arbiter’s request to do so.
Therefore:
We declare that GM Cheparinov must make a public excuse to GM Short in a written form before 11.00 hours January 21st 2008 for his refusal to shake hands.
Then the game between Ivan Cheparinov and Nigel Short has to be replayed on Monday January 21st 2008 at 13.30 hours.
Both players must shake hands at the start of the game.
Any player failing to comply with the present decision forfeits the game.
In order to avoid any conflicts in future we suggest the following procedure in similar cases: if one of the players deliberately refuses to shake his/her opponent’s offered hand at the start of the game, the arbiter shall officially warn him/her and demand him/her to do so. Only if the player again refuses to shake hand, he/she automatically forfeits the game.
Although common courtesy dictates you should shake hands, it should't dictate the game result.
pedrox wrote: I could have died when I shake hands.
While this seems funny, it is a realistic danger. Maybe not in 999 from 1,000 cases, but nevertheless. So, if we have the choices:
1. keep a risky tradition, or
2. go for zero risk with no downside
what should we choose? I guess mankind is intelligent enough to respect and greet each other without touching hands. Maybe I still overestimate mankind's intelligence (despite experiences from CCC )...
Actually you can shake your opponents hand and insult him. You can pick your nose in private and then shake his hand.
pedrox wrote: I could have died when I shake hands.
While this seems funny, it is a realistic danger. Maybe not in 999 from 1,000 cases, but nevertheless. So, if we have the choices:
1. keep a risky tradition, or
2. go for zero risk with no downside
what should we choose? I guess mankind is intelligent enough to respect and greet each other without touching hands. Maybe I still overestimate mankind's intelligence (despite experiences from CCC )...
I agree. A smile while looking at the person and a quick nod while
saying nice to see you. Should replace the hand shake..
Aviam flu,scabies,(aids) are just a few diseases you can get
by handing hands.
Why is it that no one here has suggested that all of us send some complaints to the organization. I mean if they get enough complaints then they might change the rules. I feel pretty sure that much of the chess world has heard about our site by now.
Bill
Bill Rogers wrote:Why is it that no one here has suggested that all of us send some complaints to the organization. I mean if they get enough complaints then they might change the rules. I feel pretty sure that much of the chess world has heard about our site by now.
Bill
First you need to be a FIDE member. Most here aren't.
Most of the chess world don't read these forums. It's a computer chess site.
Which doctor did you hear that from? Witch doctor?
Influenza and adenoviruses are spread by droplets, by handshaking, by contact with contaminated surfaces, fecal-orally and by eating food that has the virus on it ie salads, cold foods.
Mike S. wrote:To me, it is logical that FIDE considers FIDE chess events not as appropriate places to demonstrate individual disrespect, and that such actions disturb the character of a fair sport event.
While I appreciate that, I also take note that FIDE is aware that other forms of friendly social behaviour may take place, because they explain "(...) shake hands with the opponent (or greets the opponent in a normal social manner in accordance with the conventional rules of their society) before the game starts (...)" For example, I can imagine that in a tournament between military chess teams, players salute instead of shaking hands
In general, I think the tradition of shaking hands is not optimal from a health/medical viewpoint. It is clear that - for instance in periods where influenza is dangerous - viruses are spread by shaking hands. Recently, I was shocked to learn that even in a small country like Austria where I am, 3,000 people per year die from influenza. I think the traditions of shaking hands could be replaced by a similar gesture, but without actually touching each other. That would save lifes! The United Nations should propagate that.
Hi Mike,
Viruses of the Influenza spread by air,not by shaking hands
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Tony Thomas wrote:Nigel Short should have said that allowing him to win was a wrong idea. I have to say that he has bad sportsman (bord game man spirit/ethics) spirit.
on the other hand, rules are rules...
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pedrox wrote: I could have died when I shake hands.
While this seems funny, it is a realistic danger. Maybe not in 999 from 1,000 cases, but nevertheless. So, if we have the choices:
1. keep a risky tradition, or
2. go for zero risk with no downside
what should we choose? I guess mankind is intelligent enough to respect and greet each other without touching hands. Maybe I still overestimate mankind's intelligence (despite experiences from CCC )...
I believe that the risk of shaking hands has to be zero, in many sports players shake hands before the start of the meeting (not mandatory), I recall that there was some controversy when Magic Johnson played in the NBA with the the AIDS virus, we need more views of specialists, Dr.Wael Deeb has already theirs.
Anyway I do not agree that it is mandatory shaking hand if my opponent did not shaking hands I would not call the arbiter.
Shaking hands are a very typical norm around the chess tournaments events over all the world not just for one nation or two.
That includes a local federation such as USCF (United States Chess Federation).
Norm is a norm and it becomes sort of a rule or it's how people live or do things. In the chess world people do shake hands before the start of the game and at the end of the game as well. When a norm is broken it is consider strange thing and people do not like it when it happens.
Following Uri Blass post about it. It is strange to see folks encourage such activity for not shaking hands. So you are encouraging a disrespectful atmosphere? Okay it is maybe true some religions disallow people to shake hands but the exception can be made for just very few people.
It ruins the behavior of the chess game if such behaviors is encouraged.
Anyhow for those who sees my point will probably agree and expect a more professional behavior from these GMs. You do not have to like your opponent, but at least be cool about the image of the game.
(This is not boxing)! Chess is a quiet game and has its norm
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