Axiom ?

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Sylwy
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Axiom ?

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A new chess engine-without GUI- weaker than Toga II 1.4 beta5c cannot be commercial !
Theoretically nobody wants to buy a such engine !
A new standard in commercial computer chess appeared !


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:shock: Sylwy :shock:
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Re: Axiom ?

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Sylwy wrote:A new chess engine-without GUI- weaker than Toga II 1.4 beta5c cannot be commercial !
Theoretically nobody wants to buy a such engine !
A new standard in commercial computer chess appeared !


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:shock: Sylwy :shock:
This is simply not correct.
Chessmaster11 is a commercial program and the engine is weaker than Toga.

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Uri Blass wrote:
Sylwy wrote:A new chess engine-without GUI- weaker than Toga II 1.4 beta5c cannot be commercial !
Theoretically nobody wants to buy a such engine !
A new standard in commercial computer chess appeared !


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:shock: Sylwy :shock:
This is simply not correct.
Chessmaster11 is a commercial program and the engine is weaker than Toga.

Uri

Hi Uri !

Read carefully my text:

" A new chess engine-without GUI-......."

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Re: Axiom ?

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Are you referring to an specific engine actually in the market or it is just a theoretical assertion?

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Re: Axiom ?

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Sylwy wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:
Sylwy wrote:A new chess engine-without GUI- weaker than Toga II 1.4 beta5c cannot be commercial !
Theoretically nobody wants to buy a such engine !
A new standard in commercial computer chess appeared !


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:shock: Sylwy :shock:
This is simply not correct.
Chessmaster11 is a commercial program and the engine is weaker than Toga.

Uri

Hi Uri !

Read carefully my text:

" A new chess engine-without GUI-......."

Regards,
Sylwy
I admit that I did not read carefully your text.
I still disagree.

loop is commercial and is even similiar to fruit based on ponder hit statistics(should be disadvantage) but people insist to test this engine.

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040.l ... _length=30

http://computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/cg ... _length=30

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fern wrote:Are you referring to an specific engine actually in the market or it is just a theoretical assertion?

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Only a theoretical assertion.


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Re: Axiom ?

Post by BubbaTough »

I think there is room in the market for an engine that is "fun" for lower level humans to play, because it plays "human" style chess. I know some engines claim to do this, but in my opinion there is a LONG way to go in this area, and a market for it.

There is also a market for an engine (weaker than TOGA) that can do a good job of explaining its moves or analysis in an intuitive way.

Basically, most people I know would rather play with and learn from a "real human master", than have a computer super-grand master, and an engine that could act a bit more like a "real human master" would be welcomed commercially.

I wouldn't go so far as to say such an engine would make the author rich, however :).

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Re: Axiom ?

Post by Kirill Kryukov »

Free Rybka 1.0 appeared in the end of 2005. Today, how many commercial engines do you know that are stronger on single CPU?

Here (CCRL 40/40) I can count three: Fritz 11, Shredder 11 and Zappa Mexico 64-bit. All were released in the late 2007, almost 2 years after Rybka 1.0. Until that for two years dozens of commercial engines (or versions) weaker than Rybka 1.0 were released and selling.
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Re: Axiom ?

Post by Alessandro Scotti »

Uri Blass wrote: loop is commercial ...
It seems that Loop is powering Wii Chess, so it has a GUI now! :-)

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Re: Axiom ?

Post by BBauer »

I think free rybka supports only a subset of the chess rules.
It doesn't support any endgame tables.
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