Naum 3 has a weak evaluation function !

[naum]

Hi Ruxy,

If you purchased any version of Naum, you didn't use your name as posted here.
As for the pirated version, I know exactly who it came from. Most likely stolen credit card, but they will have to use a different one in order to get any free updates

Regards,
Alex

[Sylwy]

Hi Ruxy,

If you purchased any version of Naum, you didn't use your name as posted here.
As for the pirated version, I know exactly who it came from. Most likely stolen credit card, but they will have to use a different one in order to get any free updates

Regards,
Alex

Hi Alex !
My real name is Silvian Rucsandescu. You know me-I used (with your permission ) your mail account to buy...... .
Now all is clear for you !

The best regards to a Serbian friend and a great citizen of Toronto !
Silvian

[naum]

Just to be clear, I think you use your nickname here since I do have R.S. as a customer from Romaniaand it's probably you
As for the evaluation function in Naum3, it's not that different then in Naum2.2. Most of the changes are in the search.
Regards,
Alex

[naum]

Heh, I figured that out as soon as I did my post. See the reply to it
Sorry,
Alex

[Sylwy]

Just to be clear, I think you use your nickname here since I do have R.S. as a customer from Romaniaand it's probably you
As for the evaluation function in Naum3, it's not that different then in Naum2.2. Most of the changes are in the search.
Regards,
Alex

Alex,

After I'll finished all my analysis the conclusions will be soon to you-but only to you. I hate a lot some persons here !

Silvian

[Henrik Dinesen]

But because the men like this H.Dinesen I'm nervous now.

I really don't see why you're nervous!?

As pointed out, I didn't want to pick on you or anyone in particular - I shared your opponion - as I'm very sure most here does when it comes to illegal copies of engines.

And yes, this topic is about Naum's evaluation, and I don't have a qualified opponion yet, just some good impressions of Naum 3's handling of some postions my personal repertoire - a breat of fresh air at some points
So, I'm sorry I somehow caught your last remark and brought the subject off topic - and sorry that I wasn't clear enough, so you misunderstood my intention.

Ok?

Best to you

[Sylwy]

But because the men like this H.Dinesen I'm nervous now.

I really don't see why you're nervous!?

As pointed out, I didn't want to pick on you or anyone in particular - I shared your opponion - as I'm very sure most here does when it comes to illegal copies of engines.

And yes, this topic is about Naum's evaluation, and I don't have a qualified opponion yet, just some good impressions of Naum 3's handling of some postions my personal repertoire - a breat of fresh air at some points
So, I'm sorry I somehow caught your last remark and brought the subject off topic - and sorry that I wasn't clear enough, so you misunderstood my intention.

Ok?

Best to you

And if I dead by a nervous crisis ? And my son R. Dan (another member in this forum ) rests withouth his father & support in the youth years ????


Ok ! Peace !

Regards,
Silvian

[Ovyron]

Hmm, Why won't you show us some examples to support your claim? I'd like to see how exactly it has an inferior evaluation function compared to other engines. Show us a few positions where it behaves funny in your opinion.

Thanks,

This is from the Hiarcs Forum:

[.] just to satisfy anyone's curiosity, I left the new engine Naum 3 running overnight, and after 8 hours and through 22 ply, the result is:

[.]

[d]r2qk1nr/3n1ppp/p1pb4/1p2p3/P2PP1b1/2P2N2/1P2B1PP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - 0 1

Analysis by Naum 3:

1. ² (0.36): 10.axb5 axb5 11.Bg5 Be7 12.Rxa8 Qxa8 13.Be3 exd4 14.cxd4 Ngf6 15.Qc2 Bb4+ 16.Bd2 Bxd2+ 17.Nbxd2 0-0 18.0-0 h6 19.h3 Bxf3 20.Nxf3 Re8
2. ² (0.28 ): 10.dxe5 Bxe5 11.axb5 Bxf3 12.gxf3 axb5 13.Rxa8 Qxa8 14.f4 Bc7 15.Rg1 g6 16.c4 Bb6 17.Rg3 b4 18.Kf1 Ngf6 19.Nd2 h5 20.Kg2 h4
3. = (0.25): 10.Bg5 Ngf6 11.Nbd2 0-0 12.Bxf6 gxf6 13.0-0 Be6 14.Nb3 bxa4 15.Rxa4 Rb8 16.Nfd2 exd4 17.cxd4 Qc7 18.h3 Rfe8 19.Bd3 Bf4 20.Qc2 Be3+
4. = (0.18 ): 10.0-0 Ngf6 11.h3 Bxf3 12.Bxf3 0-0 13.Be3 c5 14.d5 c4 15.Qe2 Bc5 16.Na3 Qb6 17.Nc2 Bxe3+ 18.Nxe3 Nc5 19.a5 Qa7 20.Kh2 g6
5. = (0.05): 10.Be3 Ngf6 11.h3 Bh5 12.Nbd2 0-0 13.0-0 Re8 14.Qc2 Qc7 15.Bd3 h6 16.Rfc1 Qb6 17.Re1 Bg6 18.axb5 axb5 19.Rxa8 Rxa8 20.dxe5

(, 12.02.2008)

Apparently, this engine is pretty stupid. Whatever the verdict of the axb5/O-O controversy, I think we can pretty much all agree that dxe5 is just a bad move and is clearly not better than O-O; Bg5 also isn't good and certainly shouldn't be scored above O-O. We'll see what the tests show, but my sinking feeling is that I may have wasted 30 euros...

[Erik Roggenburg]

First of all, if someone had enough games and had enough time, couldn't that person find faulty evals performed by just about any engine? Not even Rybka is infallible, right?

Also, isn't turbojuice one of those Rybka sycophants? I could swear that he is one of those Rybka-lovers who believe Rybka can do no wrong.

[Ovyron]

First of all, if someone had enough games and had enough time, couldn't that person find faulty evals performed by just about any engine? Not even Rybka is infallible, right?

Right.

Also, isn't turbojuice one of those Rybka sycophants? I could swear that he is one of those Rybka-lovers who believe Rybka can do no wrong.

Actually, he was the one saying that with the right book, enough hardware, and very long time controls, Zappa Mexico would be the strongest chess entity on earth (And that its evaluation was better than Rybka's, most of the time.)