Rybka 2.3.2a v Naum3- Update After 7 Games!

[geots]

Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit v Naum 3 32-bit

Intel Pentium 4
Single Processor- 2.8ghz
128mb hash
3 & 4 man tablebases
Perfect 12.32.ctg book (with 12 move CCRL limit)
40 moves in 66 minutes repeating (adapted to CCRL 40/40)
Both = Single CPU
30 Game Match- For the Title


This one's for the 1CPU Title. Winner take all- no excuses!
(Betting begins in 1 hour)

Daily updates!

PGNs available for download at match conclusion


Rybka Started With White Pieces via Coin Flip:


After Game 7:

Rybka 2.3.2 a---- 1dd1d11 = 5.5
Naum 3----------- 0dd0d00 = 1.5


Still a bit early, or......................

[geots]

If, and i am saying "if", this thing were to go south for Naum, i feel i owe it to the general public who may be considering a Naum purchase. Buy it and you will not be cheated. Alex is a great guy with a wonderful and very strong program. The computer chess graveyard is running out of plots for programs that faced Rybka head- up. Please no one use this as a litmus test for a Naum purchase. Grossly unfair to Alex. Plus it aint over yet!

Regards,

[PauloSoare]

If, and i am saying "if", this thing were to go south for Naum, i feel i owe it to the general public who may be considering a Naum purchase. Buy it and you will not be cheated. Alex is a great guy with a wonderful and very strong program. The computer chess graveyard is running out of plots for programs that faced Rybka head- up. Please no one use this as a litmus test for a Naum purchase. Grossly unfair to Alex. Plus it aint over yet!

Regards,

I agree, George, Naum it´s a strong engine. And I think that
I will buy too Deep Fritz 11 and the new Loop, probably in March.
And Rybka too, it´s obvious.
Each program I buy I want to see if it´s at the level of Rybka,
and I maybe Naum, with more threads and more time control,
can be next to Rybka.

Paulo Soares

[Albert Silver]

If, and i am saying "if", this thing were to go south for Naum, i feel i owe it to the general public who may be considering a Naum purchase. Buy it and you will not be cheated. Alex is a great guy with a wonderful and very strong program. The computer chess graveyard is running out of plots for programs that faced Rybka head- up. Please no one use this as a litmus test for a Naum purchase. Grossly unfair to Alex. Plus it aint over yet!

Regards,

It's worth bearing in mind that apart from Rybka 2.2, all the initial Rybka releases had an issue or other, such as the first v1.2, or the first 2.3, etc. which were then fixed shortly after. If Naum suffers from any such issue, I see no reason not to expect the author to follow up with whatever adjustments he thinks necessary. Basically reinforcing that I don't think Naum 3 buyers would be disappointed in their purchase.

Albert

[geots]

If, and i am saying "if", this thing were to go south for Naum, i feel i owe it to the general public who may be considering a Naum purchase. Buy it and you will not be cheated. Alex is a great guy with a wonderful and very strong program. The computer chess graveyard is running out of plots for programs that faced Rybka head- up. Please no one use this as a litmus test for a Naum purchase. Grossly unfair to Alex. Plus it aint over yet!

Regards,

It's worth bearing in mind that apart from Rybka 2.2, all the initial Rybka releases had an issue or other, such as the first v1.2, or the first 2.3, etc. which were then fixed shortly after. If Naum suffers from any such issue, I see no reason not to expect the author to follow up with whatever adjustments he thinks necessary. Basically reinforcing that I don't think Naum 3 buyers would be disappointed in their purchase.

Albert

Based on what i have seen so far here, and following the updates of Tom Logan's MP shootout- i would STILL BUY NAUM. Just assume for a moment it's not on a par with Rybka. I did not expect it to be when i bought it.

Regards

[geots]

Also, don't forget that without human intervention, book- cookers, etc.- in a match of any length- with any hardware, Rybka would kick Zappa Mexico into oblivion. We are not just talking Naum here. You pick the opponent. I'ts irrelevant who you pick. Same song- just different verse.

[Uri Blass]

Also, don't forget that without human intervention, book- cookers, etc.- in a match of any length- with any hardware, Rybka would kick Zappa Mexico into oblivion. We are not just talking Naum here. You pick the opponent. I'ts irrelevant who you pick. Same song- just different verse.

With any hardware?
Are you sure that rybka 32 cpu beat zappa 32 cpu?

I am not sure.

any length?

Are you sure that Rybka is going to beat Zappa in match of length 2(2 games)?

I am not sure.

[Ovyron]

Are you sure that Rybka is going to beat Zappa in match of length 2(2 games)?

I am not sure.

I just ran such a match, and Rybka didn't win it:

[Date "2008.02.14"]
[White "Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit "]
[Black "Zappa Mexico "]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "60+7"]

1. Nc3 {0.07/13 14} d5
{0.16/12 20} 2. d4 {0.14/13 11} Nf6 {0.14/11 12} 3. Nf3 {0.09/13 11} Bf5 {0.09/10 13} 4. e3
{0.14/12 10} e6 {0.00/10 11} 5. Bd3 {0.10/11 9} Ne4 {-0.02/10 10} 6. O-O {0.07/12 9} Bd6
{-0.17/10 9} 7. Bxe4 {0.13/12 5} dxe4 {-0.04/10 8} 8. Nd2 {0.08/13 3} Nd7 {0.00/11 7} 9. Ndxe4
{0.07/12 1} Bxe4 {0.11/11 7} 10. Nxe4 {0.07/11 0} Bxh2+ {0.11/11 0} 11. Kxh2 {0.02/12 2} Qh4+
{0.11/11 0} 12. Kg1 {0.01/11 0} Qxe4 {0.11/11 0} 13. f3 {0.03/13 8} Qg6 {0.23/12 14} 14. e4
{0.05/12 7} O-O-O {0.12/11 8} 15. Qe1 {0.03/12 4} Qf6 {0.22/10 11} 16. Be3 {0.15/10 2} h5
{0.02/11 7} 17. Qa5 {0.12/11 4} Nb6 {-0.13/10 9} 18. Qxa7 {0.27/12 6} h4 {-0.13/10 7} 19. Qa5
{0.28/11 4} h3 {0.08/10 8} 20. c3 {0.32/10 1} hxg2 {-0.44/10 8} 21. Kxg2 {0.36/10 1} Nc4
{-1.88/10 7} 22. Qg5 {-4.63/16 19} Nxe3+ {-2.93/12 7} 23. Qxe3 {-4.26/15 0} Qg6+ {-2.93/12 0}
24. Kf2 {-4.34/15 0} Rh2+ {-2.93/12 0} 25. Ke1 {-4.34/14 0} Qg3+ {-3.36/12 11} 26. Kd1
{-4.91/16 3} Qg2 {-3.36/12 0} 27. Ke1 {-5.19/15 6} Rdh8 {-3.43/12 0} 28. Qf2 {-5.42/13 4}
Qxf2+ {-3.43/11 0} 29. Rxf2 {-5.50/13 1} Rh1+ {-3.43/11 0} 30. Kd2 {-5.63/12 4} Rxa1
{-3.07/6 0} 31. a4 {-5.71/11 4} Rxa4 {-3.65/11 12} 32. Kd3 {-5.72/11 5} Rh3 {-4.03/11 17}
33. Rf1 {-5.77/11 12} Ra5 {-3.92/10 16} 34. Ke3 {-5.85/12 6} Rg5 {-4.75/10 13} 35. Rf2
{-5.81/10 4} b5 {-5.38/10 11} 36. b3 {-6.04/10 5} b4 {-5.77/10 9} 37. cxb4 {-5.81/13 4} Rb5
{-6.16/11 9} 38. Kd3 {-6.56/13 15} Rxb4 {-7.44/12 8} 39. Kc3 {-7.16/14 16} c5 {-7.44/11 0}
40. dxc5 {-7.18/12 5} Rxe4 {-7.44/10 0} 41. Kd3 {-7.13/11 4} Rf4 {-8.08/11 12} 42. Ke2
{-7.57/12 7} Rb4 {-8.20/7 0} 43. Kf1 {-7.79/12 8} Rxb3 {-8.46/12 9} 44. Kg2 {-9.48/13 14} Rh5
{-8.46/11 0} 45. Rc2 {-8.22/11 11} Rg5+ {-9.39/12 12} 46. Kf2 {-8.46/11 6} Rf5 {-9.39/12 0}
47. Re2 {-8.54/10 11} Rfxf3+ {-9.52/12 14} 48. Kg2 {-9.73/12 13} Kd7 {-9.68/13 10} 49. Re1
{-9.03/10 4} Rfc3 {-9.74/12 11} 50. Kf2 {-9.72/11 13} Rb2+ {-10.36/12 9} 51. Kg1
{-10.23/14 17} Rxc5 {-10.71/13 8} 52. Ra1 {-10.00/11 6} Rcc2 {-10.98/12 8} 53. Ra7+
{-10.24/11 5} Ke8 {-11.18/14 7} 54. Ra1 {-10.30/12 4} f5 {-11.40/13 7} 55. Kf1 {-10.65/11 3}
f4 {-#8/15 6} 56. Re1 {-#12/7 0} Rh2 {-#5/9 0} 57. Kg1 {-#11/5 0} f3 {-#4/9 0} 58. Rxe6+
{-#9/3 0} Kf7 {-#3/26 0} 59. Re2 {-#2/3 0} Rhxe2 {-#2/26 0} 60. Kf1 {-#1/3 0} Rb1# {-#1/63 0}
{Checkmate !!} 0-1

[Date "2008.02.14"]
[White "Zappa Mexico "]
[Black "Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit "]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "60+7"]

1. e4 {0.24/11 15} Nc6
{0.06/13 7} 2. Nf3 {0.36/11 12} e5 {0.07/12 10} 3. d4 {0.33/11 8} exd4 {0.08/11 4} 4. Nxd4
{0.22/10 11} Bc5 {-0.03/12 14} 5. Be3 {0.19/10 13} Qf6 {0.10/11 5} 6. c3 {0.21/10 10} Nge7
{0.15/11 13} 7. b4 {0.09/10 10} Nxd4 {-0.10/12 6} 8. bxc5 {0.13/11 8} Ne6 {-0.11/12 3} 9. Bc4
{-0.07/10 8} O-O {-0.17/11 2} 10. O-O {0.18/9 8} b6 {-0.14/10 2} 11. Qh5 {-0.04/9 7} g6
{-0.29/11 7} 12. Qh6 {0.06/10 7} Nc6 {-0.29/11 6} 13. f4 {0.32/10 7} Nxc5 {-0.17/11 3} 14. e5
{0.19/10 7} Qg7 {-0.24/10 3} 15. Qxg7+ {-0.06/10 7} Kxg7 {-0.29/9 0} 16. Nd2 {-0.09/10 7} Rb8
{-0.37/11 7} 17. Rad1 {0.01/9 7} Na4 {-0.31/12 10} 18. Rc1 {0.00/10 7} Bb7 {-0.35/13 12}
19. Bb5 {-0.19/10 7} Nc5 {-0.31/11 0} 20. Nb3 {-0.20/10 7} d6 {-0.34/11 2} 21. Nxc5
{-0.38/10 7} bxc5 {-0.44/10 2} 22. exd6 {-0.47/10 6} cxd6 {-0.47/8 0} 23. Rfd1 {-0.38/10 7}
Rfd8 {-0.52/12 7} 24. Re1 {-0.60/10 7} Ne7 {-0.54/13 6} 25. Bd2 {-0.54/11 7} Bc6 {-0.61/14 9}
26. Rxe7 {-0.52/11 7} Bxb5 {-0.74/14 6} 27. c4 {-0.58/11 7} Re8 {-0.68/14 4} 28. Rxe8
{-0.53/11 6} Bxe8 {-0.62/12 0} 29. Ba5 {-0.53/11 6} Rb7 {-0.79/15 22} 30. Rd1 {-0.52/11 6} Rd7
{-0.80/14 2} 31. Bd2 {-0.53/12 7} f5 {-1.05/14 12} 32. Be3 {-0.70/12 7} Kf7 {-1.09/13 3}
33. Bf2 {-0.69/13 7} Ke7 {-1.04/13 1} 34. Bh4+ {-0.73/12 7} Kf8 {-0.96/15 4} 35. Bf2
{-0.72/13 7} Rb7 {-1.00/14 2} 36. Bh4 {-0.70/13 6} Rb4 {-1.02/14 2} 37. Rxd6 {-0.52/11 7} Rxc4
{-1.10/15 10} 38. Ra6 {-0.56/12 7} Rxf4 {-1.08/15 4} 39. Bg5 {-0.53/11 7} Rb4 {-1.25/12 3}
40. h4 {-0.57/11 7} Rb1+ {-1.15/14 5} 41. Kh2 {-0.54/12 7} Rb7 {-0.98/14 2} 42. Be3
{-0.59/13 6} c4 {-0.91/14 2} 43. Rxa7 {-0.57/13 7} Rxa7 {-0.89/15 2} 44. Bxa7 {-0.57/12 0} Ke7
{-0.85/17 7} 45. Bd4 {-0.63/14 9} Ke6 {-1.43/19 7} 46. Bg7 {-0.93/13 8} Kd5 {-1.41/22 9}
47. Kg3 {-1.04/14 8} Ke4 {-1.41/22 5} 48. h5 {-1.36/14 7} gxh5 {-1.72/17 3} 49. Kf2
{-1.17/13 7} Kd3 {-2.01/17 3} 50. Bh6 {-1.60/13 7} c3 {-3.39/19 9} 51. a3 {-2.01/13 7} Kc2
{-3.07/17 0} 52. Bg7 {-2.37/13 7} Kd2 {-4.59/19 4} 53. Kg3 {-2.91/14 7} c2 {-4.59/16 1}
54. Bh6+ {-4.06/13 7} Kd1 {-4.15/17 0} 55. Bf4 {-4.19/14 7} c1Q {-5.07/17 6} 56. Bxc1
{-4.19/13 0} Kxc1 {-5.07/17 16} 57. Kf4 {-4.20/14 9} Bd7 {-5.58/16 5} 58. a4 {-4.84/13 8} Bxa4
{-4.59/13 0} 59. Kxf5 {-5.42/14 8} Kd2 {-5.97/15 8} 60. Kf4 {-13.01/14 7} Bd1 {-6.43/15 7}
61. Kg5 {-13.14/15 7} Ke3 {-7.09/15 7} 62. Kh4 {-13.20/16 7} Kf2 {-11.89/13 1} 63. Kh3
{-13.24/16 7} Kg1 {-14.70/14 5} 64. Kg3 {-13.24/17 7} Bg4 {-14.86/14 5} 65. Kf4 {-13.24/17 7}
Kxg2 {-14.86/13 5} 66. Kg5 {-13.24/16 0} Kg3 {-14.93/12 5} 67. Kh6 {-13.24/15 9} h4
{-14.93/10 17} 68. Kxh7 {-13.24/14 0} h3 {-#12/9 7} 69. Kg7 {-#7/14 7} h2 {-#11/7 1} 70. Kf6
{-#6/12 0} Kf4 {-#10/6 0} 71. Ke7 {-#6/12 1} Ke5 {-#8/4 0} 72. Kf7 {-#5/10 0} Be6+ {-#7/3 0}
73. Kg6 {-#4/9 0} h1Q {-#6/3 0} 74. Kg5 {-#3/9 0} Qg2+ {-#3/3 0} 75. Kh5 {-#2/31 0} Bf5 {-#2/3 0}
76. Kh6 {-#1/58 0} Qg6# {-#1/3 0} {Checkmate !!} 0-1

(Though, Rybka won the match against ZMII...)

[geots]

Also, don't forget that without human intervention, book- cookers, etc.- in a match of any length- with any hardware, Rybka would kick Zappa Mexico into oblivion. We are not just talking Naum here. You pick the opponent. I'ts irrelevant who you pick. Same song- just different verse.

With any hardware?
Are you sure that rybka 32 cpu beat zappa 32 cpu?

I am not sure.

any length?

Are you sure that Rybka is going to beat Zappa in match of length 2(2 games)?

I am not sure.

Uri, in the first place i meant 1CPU, 2 CPU, or 4. And when i said match of any length- i started to change that- but i figured most would know i meant by that any relatively long match, ie 30 games or more. Look, if you think at any time control or any hardware availbable, that Zappa Mexico would stand a chance in hell with above specs, i dont have the time to discuss it. If you say you believe it does, you are just wanting to argue. Because you already know better. Please dont start picking pgns out of the air to show me. Not interested. I didnt just ride into town on the turnip truck.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Also, don't forget that without human intervention, book- cookers, etc.- in a match of any length- with any hardware, Rybka would kick Zappa Mexico into oblivion. We are not just talking Naum here. You pick the opponent. I'ts irrelevant who you pick. Same song- just different verse.

With any hardware?
Are you sure that rybka 32 cpu beat zappa 32 cpu?

I am not sure.

any length?

Are you sure that Rybka is going to beat Zappa in match of length 2(2 games)?

I am not sure.

Uri, in the first place i meant 1CPU, 2 CPU, or 4. And when i said match of any length- i started to change that- but i figured most would know i meant by that any relatively long match, ie 30 games or more. Look, if you think at any time control or any hardware availbable, that Zappa Mexico would stand a chance in hell with above specs, i dont have the time to discuss it. If you say you believe it does, you are just wanting to argue. Because you already know better. Please dont start picking pgns out of the air to show me. Not interested. I didnt just ride into town on the turnip truck.