GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... l?tid=3363

(I am surprised that this wasn't a topic here, yet.)
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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Mike S. wrote:http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... l?tid=3363

(I am surprised that this wasn't a topic here, yet.)
It's an odd match Mike,I for myself not interested in such a circus,this is not chess,it's something else....
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Mike S. wrote:http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... l?tid=3363

(I am surprised that this wasn't a topic here, yet.)
It's an odd match Mike,I for myself not interested in such a circus,this is not chess,it's something else....
But perhaps it's the only way to produce games that Rybka loses against humans:

[Date "2008.3.4"]
[White "Dzindzichashvili"]
[Black "Rybka"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.Nc3 Nc6 2.Ne4 Nb8 3.Nc5 Nc6 4.Nxb7 Nb8 5.Nc5 Nc6 6.Na4 Nb8
7.Nc3 Nc6 8.Nb1 Nb8 {(no b7 pawn)} 9.Nf3 Nf6 10.g3 Nc6 11.Bg2
Rb8 12.d4 e6 13.O-O d5 14.b3 Be7 15.Ba3 Bxa3 16.Nxa3 Qd6 17.Nb1
O-O 18.Nc3 h6 19.Re1 Rd8 20.e3 Ba6 21.Na4 Nd7 22.Qd2 Nf6 23.Qc1
Nd7 24.Qd2 Nf6 25.Qc1 Nd7 26.Rd1 Ne7 27.Nd2 Be2 28.Re1 Bb5 29.c4
Bxa4 30.bxa4 Qb4 31.cxd5 Nxd5 32.Bxd5 exd5 33.Nb3 Rb7 34.a5 c5
35.Nxc5 Nxc5 36.Qxc5 Qxc5 37.dxc5 Rc7 38.Rec1 Rdc8 39.Rab1 Rxc5
40.Rxc5 Rxc5 41.Rb8+ Kh7 42.Rb7 Rxa5 43.Rxf7 Rxa2 44.Rd7 a5 45.Rxd5
a4 46.Ra5 g5 47.g4 a3 48.Kg2 Kg7 49.Ra6 Kf7 50.Rxh6 Rb2 51.Ra6
a2 52.Kg3 Re2 53.f3 Ke7 54.e4 Kd8 55.h4 gxh4+ 56.Kxh4 Kc8 57.Kg5
Kb7 58.Ra3 Kb6 59.f4 Kc5 60.e5 Kb4 61.Ra8 Kb3 62.Kf5 Rc2 63.g5
Rc8 64.Ra6 Rf8+ 65.Kg4 Re8 66.g6 Re6 67.Rxa2 Rxg6+ 68.Kf5 Rb6
69.Rd2 Rb5 70.Kf6 Rb6+ 71.e6 Kc4 72.f5 Kc3 73.Rd8 Ra6 74.Kf7
Ra5 75.f6 1-0

[Date "2008.3.7"]
[White "*Dzindzichashvili"]
[Black "*Rybka"]
[Result "1-0"]

1.Nh3 g6 2.Na3 g5 3.Nxg5 Nc6 4.Nh3 Nb4 5.Nb1 Na6 6.Ng1 Nb8 {(no g7 pawn)}
7.d4 Nf6 8.Nf3 d6 9.Bg5 Nbd7 10.Nbd2 h6 11.Bh4 c6 12.e4 Bg7 13.c3
Nh5 14.Bc4 b5 15.Bb3 a5 16.O-O a4 17.Bc2 a3 18.b4 Nf4 19.Re1
Nf8 20.e5 d5 21.Bg3 Nh5 22.Nh4 Nxg3 23.fxg3 e6 24.Qh5 Qg5 25.Qe2
h5 26.Nhf3 Qg4 27.Nb3 Ra7 28.Nc5 Nd7 29.Nxd7 Kxd7 30.Rf1 Bh6
31.Rf2 Kc7 32.Ne1 Kb8 33.Nd3 Qg7 34.Raf1 Rc7 35.Nf4 Bg5 36.Nxh5
Qh6 37.g4 Be3 38.h3 Bxf2+ 39.Qxf2 Kb7 40.Qf4 Qf8 41.Nf6 Kb6 42.g5
Qg7 43.Rf3 Bb7 44.h4 Qf8 45.h5 Ka7 46.h6 Ba8 47.h7 Rb7 48.Qh4
Rc7 49.Qh6 Qxh6 50.gxh6 Kb6 51.Rg3 Bb7 52.Rg8 Rc8 53.g4 c5 54.dxc5+
Kc6 55.Kf2 Ra8 56.Ke3 Kc7 57.Kf4 Kc6 58.g5 Kc7 59.g6 fxg6 60.Rxa8
Bxa8 61.Kg5 d4 62.cxd4 Bd5 63.Nxd5+ exd5 64.Kxg6 Re8 65.Kf7 Kd8
66.Bg6 Re7+ 67.Kf6 Ra7 68.h8Q+ 1-0
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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It's the best score any human ever got against Rybka.
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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Wanted to quickly point out that given that it is a 45 minute game, the score for the human is quite good. The Fritz vs Kramnik and Deep Junior vs Kasparov were closer to classical time controls (40 moves in 2 hours and 1 hour for the rest of the game).

In a 45 minute game, the computer has a huge practical advantage, as computers rock in time pressure situations. That is why the score in many of these "odds" matches is lopsided in favor of the computer. A pawn does not really matter if you are going to "hang" material in time pressure anyway.

Hence, Dzindzi's performance is really good given the conditions.
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Ovyron wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Mike S. wrote:http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... l?tid=3363

(I am surprised that this wasn't a topic here, yet.)
It's an odd match Mike,I for myself not interested in such a circus,this is not chess,it's something else....
But perhaps it's the only way to produce games that Rybka loses against humans:
Yes, thats the point of view from Larry, and it seems unlikely we'll a see match based on normal chess. In a way it's quite understandable, since the odds for the human isn't too good, and still it costs to get a good GM to play.
Thought, I agree with with Wael, from a personal perspective, games I can but into my database is much more interesting, but I believe the future will bring more and more odds-matches when it's human vs comp.
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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Tony Thomas wrote:It's the best score any human ever got against Rybka.
Actually it's not.
I won 7-1 playing as white and Rybka to not have the a-Rook, h-Rook, b-Knight, g-Knight, c-Bishop, f-Bishop, Queen in each game respectively, plus a regular game where i lost.

At the game of Chess of course i don't know what is the best score someone got against Rybka in a match....
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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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George Tsavdaris wrote:
Tony Thomas wrote:It's the best score any human ever got against Rybka.
Actually it's not.
I won 7-1 playing as white and Rybka to not have the a-Rook, h-Rook, b-Knight, g-Knight, c-Bishop, f-Bishop, Queen in each game respectively, plus a regular game where i lost.

At the game of Chess of course i don't know what is the best score someone got against Rybka in a match....
Not that you did not play against latest rybka in this match.

I can add that this is the first public match for money against humans that rybka does not win.

Humans lost all previous matchs when winning points mean more money.
It does not mean that the result is better than earlier result and I do not know to compare but the human scored 50% in this match when humans scored less than 50% in previous matches.

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Re: GM Dzindzichashvili - Rybka, 4-4

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His point is that this can't be considered chess.
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