Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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TOM-PC, 38'/40+38'/40+38'40 0

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1 Rybka 2.3.2a mp ½11½½1 4.5/6
2 HIARCS 12 MP ½00½½0 1.5/6

secord and third win seen below

[Event "TOM-PC, 38'/40+38'/40+38'40"]
[Site "TOM-PC"]
[Date "2008.03.28"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Black "HIARCS 12 MP"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B90"]
[Annotator "0.03;0.45"]
[PlyCount "127"]
[TimeControl "40/2280:40/2280:40/2280"]

{Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 285 3 MHz W=19.1 ply; 363kN/s; Perfect
v8.32.ctg B=17.9 ply; 1,426kN/s; 1,840 TBAs; Perfect v8.32.ctg} 1. Nf3 {0} c5
{0} 2. e4 {0} d6 {0} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {0} 4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {0} 5. Nc3 {0} a6 {0}
6. Bd3 {0} e5 {0} 7. Nde2 {Both last book move 0} Be7 {0.45/17 115} 8. O-O {
(Be3) 0.03/18 100} Be6 {0.25/17 65} 9. f4 {(Be3) 0.08/18 76} O-O {0.39/16 97}
10. Qe1 {(Ng3) 0.10/17 14} Qb6+ {(Nc6) 0.28/16 62} 11. Kh1 {0.04/17 62} Rc8 {
0.21/16 38} 12. b3 {(f5) 0.03/18 270} Nc6 {0.25/16 48} 13. Qg3 {(f5) 0.08/17 80
} Nb4 {(Nh5) 0.25/16 61} 14. f5 {0.14/18 20} Bd7 {0.18/17 61} 15. Bh6 {
0.15/18 16} Bf8 {0.17/17 61} 16. Bg5 {(Be3) 0.08/18 25} Be7 {0.53/17 81} 17.
Bxf6 {(a3) 0.14/20 66} Bxf6 {0.53/19 45} 18. a3 {0.22/20 70} Nxd3 {0.54/19 62}
19. Nd5 {0.23/19 33} Qd8 {0.53/19 62} 20. Qxd3 {0.24/18 15} b5 {
(Rc5) 0.61/16 62} 21. Nec3 {(Rad1) 0.27/16 15} Bg5 {0.46/17 60} 22. a4 {
0.37/18 56} bxa4 {0.47/17 58} 23. Nxa4 {0.27/18 19} Rab8 {0.52/17 68} 24. Nac3
{(Ra3) 0.27/18 216} a5 {0.53/17 73} 25. g3 {(Qa6) 0.28/18 111} Kh8 {
(f6) 0.36/16 45} 26. h4 {0.45/19 47} Bh6 {0.35/17 65} 27. f6 {(Kh2) 0.46/18 16}
g6 {(Be6) 0.52/16 92} 28. Kg2 {(Ne7) 0.74/18 60} Rc5 {0.30/17 84} 29. Rf2 {
0.76/18 47} Bg4 {(Qc8) 0.44/17 80} 30. Na4 {0.71/20 65} Rcb5 {0.45/18 62} 31.
Nb2 {(Rh1) 0.70/19 48} Rc5 {(Qd7) 0.51/16 63} 32. Nc4 {(Rh1) 0.84/18 58} Be6 {
0.53/16 65} 33. h5 {0.72/17 17} gxh5 {(g5) 0.67/16 78} 34. Rh1 {0.90/18 26} Bg4
{0.78/17 69} 35. Ne7 {0.84/18 21} Bg5 {1.12/18 116} 36. Qxd6 {1.08/20 70} Qxd6
{1.19/18 59} 37. Nxd6 {1.13/22 33} Rf8 {1.25/19 43} 38. c4 {1.19/22 43} Rc7 {
1.43/18 41} 39. Ra1 {1.19/21 44} Rd7 {1.39/18 55} 40. c5 {1.38/20 37} Bxf6 {
1.61/19 77} 41. Nc6 {1.38/20 16} Bg7 {(Be7) 1.67/19 85} 42. Rxa5 {1.26/18 20}
h4 {(Rc7) 1.65/19 89} 43. gxh4 {1.67/18 21} f6 {1.82/18 89} 44. b4 {
(Ra7) 1.81/20 79} Bh6 {1.42/18 62} 45. Ra3 {1.81/19 17} Bh5 {(Bf4) 1.76/17 65}
46. Kf1 {1.79/19 20} Bc1 {1.87/18 88} 47. Ra1 {1.87/20 27} Be3 {2.23/18 72} 48.
Rg2 {1.61/20 15} f5 {(Rc7) 2.14/17 117} 49. Nxf5 {(exf5) 1.98/20 54} Rc7 {
2.10/17 58} 50. Na5 {(Nd8) 2.06/19 18} Bf4 {(Bd4) 2.01/17 72} 51. Rf2 {
1.86/19 49} Bg4 {2.05/17 52} 52. Nc4 {2.29/19 49} Bh3+ {1.98/15 32} 53. Ke2 {
(Kg1) 2.98/19 177} Rb7 {1.93/16 33} 54. Ra4 {(Nb6) 2.70/17 0} Rfb8 {
(Rc7) 3.27/18 428} 55. Kd3 {(Ncd6) 2.84/15 0} Rd8+ {(Bxf5) 3.52/17 131} 56. Kc3
{3.33/16 12} Bxf5 {3.52/17 30} 57. exf5 {3.01/14 0} Bg3 {3.71/13 49} 58. Rg2 {
4.27/18 51} Bxh4 {(Rg7) 3.88/16 26} 59. Nd6 {4.71/21 28} Rc7 {4.04/17 47} 60.
Kb3 {(Ra6) 4.71/20 126} Rf8 {(Rg7) 3.89/18 265} 61. b5 {6.62/17 28} Bf6 {
(Be7) 7.35/15 31} 62. b6 {7.53/16 56} Rd7 {11.93/18 123} 63. Ra7 {
(b7) 7.37/13 18} Rxa7 {(Re7) 11.93/15 29} 64. bxa7 {8.02/13 10} 1-0

[Event "TOM-PC, 38'/40+38'/40+38'40"]
[Site "TOM-PC"]
[Date "2008.03.29"]
[Round "6"]
[White "HIARCS 12 MP"]
[Black "Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B85"]
[Annotator "0.27;0.07"]
[PlyCount "106"]
[TimeControl "40/2280:40/2280:40/2280"]

{Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 285 3 MHz W=18.0 ply; 1,471kN/s; 7,337
TBAs; Perfect v8.32.ctg B=19.0 ply; 400kN/s; 13 TBAs; Perfect v8.32.ctg} 1.
Nf3 {0} c5 {0} 2. e4 {0} d6 {0} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {0} 4. Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {0} 5. Nc3 {
0} e6 {0} 6. Be2 {0} a6 {0} 7. Be3 {0} Be7 {0} 8. O-O {0} Nc6 {0} 9. a4 {0} O-O
{0} 10. f4 {0} Qc7 {Both last book move 0} 11. Qe1 {0.27/16 99} Nb4 {
(d5) 0.07/15 68} 12. Qg3 {0.38/16 78} Rd8 {(Bd7) 0.12/17 80} 13. a5 {0.43/15 65
} d5 {0.18/18 137} 14. e5 {0.46/16 57} Ne4 {0.13/17 13} 15. Nxe4 {0.53/17 70}
dxe4 {0.11/15 0} 16. c3 {0.54/17 71} Nd5 {(Nd3) 0.21/16 18} 17. Nb3 {
(Bf2) 0.67/17 64} b5 {0.25/19 78} 18. axb6 {0.60/16 62} Nxb6 {0.22/17 0} 19.
Nd2 {0.60/17 72} Bb7 {0.25/17 48} 20. Bd4 {0.71/17 72} a5 {(Bc5) 0.24/17 47}
21. Kh1 {(Rfd1) 0.49/15 141} g6 {(Bc5) 0.10/17 59} 22. Qf2 {(Rfd1) 0.75/16 78}
Nd7 {0.00/17 21} 23. Nc4 {0.69/17 73} Bc5 {(Bc6) 0.03/17 124} 24. Rfd1 {
0.73/16 126} Bd5 {(Ba6) 0.00/18 22} 25. Nd6 {0.66/16 69} Bb3 {0.00/18 28} 26.
Nb5 {0.73/16 70} Qc6 {0.00/17 19} 27. Rf1 {(Rdc1) 0.73/16 67} a4 {
(Rdb8) -0.17/16 49} 28. Qe3 {(c4) 0.57/15 52} Rab8 {(Be7) -0.24/16 21} 29. Bxc5
{(Nd6) 0.21/17 90} Nxc5 {-0.42/18 65} 30. Nd4 {(Nd6) 0.05/17 75} Qd5 {
-0.46/18 36} 31. Rfe1 {0.20/17 67} Rdc8 {(Bc4) -0.65/17 37} 32. Kg1 {
(Rec1) -0.24/16 76} Bc4 {(Kh8) -0.68/15 0} 33. Red1 {-0.63/17 89} Bd3 {
-0.71/18 35} 34. Rd2 {-1.11/18 231} Rb6 {-0.64/16 0} 35. Bxd3 {
(Bd1) -1.16/16 46} exd3 {-1.47/19 85} 36. Rc1 {(Ra3) -1.96/16 101} Qa2 {
-2.43/21 149} 37. f5 {-2.29/16 55} Rxb2 {-2.20/19 0} 38. Rxb2 {-2.50/16 26}
Qxb2 {-2.28/18 0} 39. fxg6 {(Rf1) -2.74/15 18} hxg6 {-3.35/21 76} 40. Rf1 {
-3.53/16 19} a3 {-3.46/20 25} 41. Qf3 {-4.37/18 119} Qb7 {-3.92/19 40} 42. Qxb7
{-5.39/19 302} Nxb7 {-3.61/17 0} 43. Kf2 {-5.43/20 75} Rxc3 {-3.61/16 0} 44.
Ke3 {-5.47/19 54} Nc5 {-4.28/21 13} 45. Ra1 {-5.64/20 70} d2+ {-3.87/19 0} 46.
Kxd2 {-5.65/21 51} Rd3+ {-4.30/21 12} 47. Ke2 {-5.85/20 46} Rxd4 {-4.58/22 41}
48. Rxa3 {-5.87/20 48} Rd5 {(Re4+) -4.64/21 30} 49. Re3 {-6.15/19 123} Kg7 {
(Nd7) -4.68/21 13} 50. h3 {-6.17/18 33} Nd7 {-4.73/21 12} 51. Ra3 {-6.52/19 81}
Nxe5 {(Rxe5+) -4.76/21 15} 52. Ra7 {-6.53/19 79} Rd7 {(Nd7) -5.00/20 25} 53.
Ra2 {(Ra6) -6.61/19 60} f5 {(Nc4) -5.00/16 10} 0-1

Tom
Tom L

Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

Post by Tom L »

Rybka has won game 7 as well

Hiarcs has the better position in game eight but the question remains wether it can break through as the position becomes more and more closed and Hiarcs bishop bad

Tom
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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

Post by Dr.Wael Deeb »

S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Unfortunately Shimon this almost true for most of the users,but....again it depends on the position you are looking at and the style of the engine you need for that particular position :!:
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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Unfortunately Shimon this almost true for most of the users,but....again it depends on the position you are looking at and the style of the engine you need for that particular position :!:
Indeed, this means there is still no simple answer. Whoever is an expert at which engine is best for which position, MIGHT have an advantage in, say, correspondence play.

By the way, we first have to know if this testing above, is maximized for Hiarcs, and if Hiarcs still needs to correct any bugs.
Tom L

Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Hi

It's too early to make any judgements. I have restarted the match with the sharpen pv option

It may be that this is necessary at slower speeds

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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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Tom L wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Hi

It's too early to make any judgements. I have restarted the match with the sharpen pv option

It may be that this is necessary at slower speeds

Tom
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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

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S.Taylor wrote:why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Rybka's ideas aren't infallible, even "weaker" programs like SMIRF can have better ideas than Rybka now and then, so a second opinion is always useful.
Tom L

Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

Post by Tom L »

S.Taylor wrote:
Tom L wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs has NOT made a great leap in playing strength?

(I mean, what's the great thing about Hiarcses great playing style, if it can't do much with it? I mean, I'm sure it DOES do alot against other programs, but why would someone want to analyze with Hiarcs in order to see some good ideas, when Rybka might tear those ideas apart? Better to analyze with Rybka only!)
Hi

It's too early to make any judgements. I have restarted the match with the sharpen pv option

It may be that this is necessary at slower speeds

Tom
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Thank you

Unfortunately thus far Hiarcs is not doing any better against Rybka with sharpen pv on

Its early but score is

5W 2D 0L

6 - 1 Rybka

I believe it has been much more competative against Zappa mexico II and Naum

Games will appear soon on CCRL website

Tom
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Re: Rybka jumps to an early lead at 40/40

Post by Spock »

Currently I have the following at 40/40:

Quad Hiarcs 12 vs Quad Zappa Mexico II x64 (6.0 - 8.0)
Quad Hiarcs 12 vs Quad Fritz 10.1 (5.5 - 6.5)


Early days. Ultimately I expect Hiarcs to win against Fritz, but I'm less certain with the Zappa match.