Have you decided why Vas

[Mike S.]

...almost showing signs of jealousy.

I think this type of jealousy is not a bad thing, in itself. It IS the acknowledgement for great achievements. NOT being jealous would be an insult.

[Mike S.]

It is unfortunate that the game of Chess allows stupidity to prevail. We should just move on and search for another Board game where this can't happen.

If stupidity prevails in chess, so why don't I have a title yet??

I think the game of Go is such a type of game you mean.

[Martin Thoresen]

I think someone should write down all these conspiracy theories.

"Vas hides stuff" "Vas is really an alien" "Vas knows something I don't" "If Rybka 3 ever reaches 1000 kn/s on a single core the world will blow up" etc.

Sorry, but I think this is ridicilous. I'm gonna leave it at that, obviously my contribution in this thread is really not that good.

[Dr.Ex]

b5 Game over

[Jim Walker]

b5 Game over

Yes if black is Elo 1200.

[George Tsavdaris]

Rybka is IMHO a brutal effective and fast searcher. It is as dumb as Toga for example. It has very little knowledge about chess.

I don't know about older Rybka prior to Rybka 3 but for Rybka 3 you are simply wrong.

Also giving one single position where Rybka does not do well** and saying that because of that Rybka is stupid, then obviously you are wrong again.


**And in fact Rybka 3 does do well in this:

[d] 1k1r3r/1ppqb1pp/p1n1pp1n/3pPb2/BP1P1P2/2P1BN2/P5PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 12

It thinks this position, which is easily won for white, is better for black.
Just like all other dumb engines like Toga etc. think it is better for black.
That says it all.

That does not says it all since Rybka 3 believes white is better:

BTW i'm using a slow single CPU computer with 32-bit.
Rybka 64-bit with an Octal Skulltrail QX9775 would be around 16 times faster, but this is irrelevant anyway as even my slow Rybka 3 32-bit finds the solution instantly and gives a score suggesting that white is winning.
So you were wrong.

Analysis by Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit :

1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 11 00:00:01 0kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (0.07) Depth: 13 00:00:09 176kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Bf5-e4 3.Nb1-d2 Nh6-g4
= (0.19) Depth: 14 00:02:13 2704kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Nh6-g4 3.Be3-c1 h7-h5 4.h2-h3 Ng4-h6 5.Qd1-a4 Rd8-e8 6.Bc1-a3 Be7xa3 7.Nb1xa3 Nh6-g8 8.Bb5xc6 Qd7xc6 9.Qa4xc6 b7xc6 10.Ra1-c1 Ng8-e7 11.c3-c4
+/= (0.28) Depth: 15 00:05:38 6885kN

+0.28 for white according to Larry Kaufman means that Rybka 3 believes white's expected score is around 62% for this position.
Or that white's winning chances are 24% more than the winning chances of black.

[Dr.Ex]

It is unfortunate that the game of Chess allows stupidity to prevail. We should just move on and search for another Board game where this can't happen.

If stupidity prevails in chess, so why don't I have a title yet??


I think the game of Go is such a type of game you mean.

It should have some different pieces. Only black and white stones is not good for the eyes.

[Dr.Ex]

b5 Game over

Yes if black is Elo 1200.

Black was Rybka 3. Don't you see there is no counterplay at all for black?
Black will be crushed on the Qeenside, no matter how he plays.

[Dr.Ex]

Rybka is IMHO a brutal effective and fast searcher. It is as dumb as Toga for example. It has very little knowledge about chess.

I don't know about older Rybka prior to Rybka 3 but for Rybka 3 you are simply wrong.

Also giving one single position where Rybka does not do well** and saying that because of that Rybka is stupid, then obviously you are wrong again.


**And in fact Rybka 3 does do well in this:

[d] 1k1r3r/1ppqb1pp/p1n1pp1n/3pPb2/BP1P1P2/2P1BN2/P5PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 12

It thinks this position, which is easily won for white, is better for black.
Just like all other dumb engines like Toga etc. think it is better for black.
That says it all.

That does not says it all since Rybka 3 believes white is better:

BTW i'm using a slow single CPU computer with 32-bit.
Rybka 64-bit with an Octal Skulltrail QX9775 would be around 16 times faster, but this is irrelevant anyway as even my slow Rybka 3 32-bit finds the solution instantly and gives a score suggesting that white is winning.
So you were wrong.

Analysis by Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit :

1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 11 00:00:01 0kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (0.07) Depth: 13 00:00:09 176kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Bf5-e4 3.Nb1-d2 Nh6-g4
= (0.19) Depth: 14 00:02:13 2704kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Nh6-g4 3.Be3-c1 h7-h5 4.h2-h3 Ng4-h6 5.Qd1-a4 Rd8-e8 6.Bc1-a3 Be7xa3 7.Nb1xa3 Nh6-g8 8.Bb5xc6 Qd7xc6 9.Qa4xc6 b7xc6 10.Ra1-c1 Ng8-e7 11.c3-c4
+/= (0.28) Depth: 15 00:05:38 6885kN

+0.28 for white according to Larry Kaufman means that Rybka 3 believes white's expected score is around 62% for this position.
Or that white's winning chances are 24% more than the winning chances of black.

No it doesn't do well.

Analysis by Crafty 20.14:

12.Lb3
= (-0.06) Tiefe: 1/16 00:00:00
12.Lb3 Sg4
=/+ (-0.36) Tiefe: 2/16 00:00:00
12.Lxc6 Dxc6
= (-0.18) Tiefe: 2/16 00:00:00
12.b5
+/= (0.34) Tiefe: 2/16 00:00:00
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5
+/= (0.46) Tiefe: 2/16 00:00:00
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5
+/= (0.46) Tiefe: 3/16 00:00:00
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4
= (0.16) Tiefe: 4/16 00:00:00
12.exf6 gxf6 13.b5 axb5 14.Lxb5
+/= (0.34) Tiefe: 4/16 00:00:00
12.exf6 gxf6 13.b5 axb5 14.Lxb5
+/= (0.34) Tiefe: 5/16 00:00:00
12.exf6 gxf6 13.b5 axb5 14.Lxb5 Thg8
= (-0.15) Tiefe: 6/16 00:00:00 23kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.De2 h5
= (0.07) Tiefe: 6/16 00:00:00 45kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Lxc6 Dxc6 15.Dd2 Sxe3 16.Dxe3
= (0.04) Tiefe: 7/19 00:00:00 148kN
12.Lf2 Le4 13.b5 Lxf3 14.Dxf3 Sa7 15.exf6 gxf6
= (0.05) Tiefe: 7/19 00:00:00 373kN
12.Lf2 Le4 13.Kh1 Sg4 14.b5 Sxf2+ 15.Txf2 Lxf3 16.Dxf3
=/+ (-0.33) Tiefe: 8/23 00:00:00 603kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.Sxe5 Sgxe5 16.fxe5
= (0.20) Tiefe: 8/23 00:00:00 680kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.Sxe5 Sgxe5 16.fxe5
= (0.20) Tiefe: 9/23 00:00:01 918kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.h3 Lxb1 16.Txb1 e4 17.hxg4 exf3 18.Dxf3
+/= (0.28) Tiefe: 10/23 00:00:01 1415kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.h3 Lxb1 16.Txb1 e4 17.hxg4 exf3 18.Dxf3
+/= (0.28) Tiefe: 11/23 00:00:01 2290kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.h3 e4 16.hxg4 exf3 17.gxf5 fxg2 18.Kxg2 exf5
+/= (0.58) Tiefe: 12/24 00:00:02 3900kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 fxe5 15.h3 e4 16.hxg4 exf3 17.gxf5 fxg2 18.Kxg2 exf5
+/= (0.58) Tiefe: 13/24 00:00:03 5809kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 Lg6 15.Da4 Le8 16.Sa3 fxe5 17.Sxe5 Sgxe5 18.fxe5 Tf8 19.Txf8 Lxf8
+/- (0.71) Tiefe: 14/24 00:00:07 13698kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 Lg6 15.Da4 fxe5 16.Lxc6 bxc6 17.Sxe5 Sxe5 18.fxe5 Thf8 19.Da6
+/- (0.79) Tiefe: 15/24 00:00:14 30303kN
12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 Lg6 15.exf6 gxf6 16.Da4 Le8 17.f5 e5 18.h3 e4 19.hxg4 exf3 20.gxf3
+/= (0.69) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:21 47112kN

[George Tsavdaris]

Rybka is IMHO a brutal effective and fast searcher. It is as dumb as Toga for example. It has very little knowledge about chess.

I don't know about older Rybka prior to Rybka 3 but for Rybka 3 you are simply wrong.

Also giving one single position where Rybka does not do well** and saying that because of that Rybka is stupid, then obviously you are wrong again.


**And in fact Rybka 3 does do well in this:

1k1r3r/1ppqb1pp/p1n1pp1n/3pPb2/BP1P1P2/2P1BN2/P5PP/RN1Q1RK1 w - - 0 12

It thinks this position, which is easily won for white, is better for black.
Just like all other dumb engines like Toga etc. think it is better for black.
That says it all.

That does not says it all since Rybka 3 believes white is better:

BTW i'm using a slow single CPU computer with 32-bit.
Rybka 64-bit with an Octal Skulltrail QX9775 would be around 16 times faster, but this is irrelevant anyway as even my slow Rybka 3 32-bit finds the solution instantly and gives a score suggesting that white is winning.
So you were wrong.

Analysis by Rybka 3 1-cpu 32-bit :

1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 11 00:00:01 0kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (-0.05) Depth: 12 00:00:01 1kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Rh8-f8 3.Qd1-e2 Nh6-g4 4.Nb1-d2 Be7-a3 5.Nd2-b3 Ng4xe3 6.Qe2xe3 b7-b6 7.Ra1-e1 Rd8-e8 8.Nb3-c1
= (0.07) Depth: 13 00:00:09 176kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Bf5-e4 3.Nb1-d2 Nh6-g4
= (0.19) Depth: 14 00:02:13 2704kN
1.b4-b5 a6xb5 2.Ba4xb5 Nh6-g4 3.Be3-c1 h7-h5 4.h2-h3 Ng4-h6 5.Qd1-a4 Rd8-e8 6.Bc1-a3 Be7xa3 7.Nb1xa3 Nh6-g8 8.Bb5xc6 Qd7xc6 9.Qa4xc6 b7xc6 10.Ra1-c1 Ng8-e7 11.c3-c4
+/= (0.28) Depth: 15 00:05:38 6885kN

+0.28 for white according to Larry Kaufman means that Rybka 3 believes white's expected score is around 62% for this position.
Or that white's winning chances are 24% more than the winning chances of black.

No it doesn't do well.

Analysis by Crafty 20.14:

12.b5 axb5 13.Lxb5 Sg4 14.Ld2 Lg6 15.exf6 gxf6 16.Da4 Le8 17.f5 e5 18.h3 e4 19.hxg4 exf3 20.gxf3
+/= (0.69) Tiefe: 16/24 00:00:21 47112kN

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

You said Rybka believes that black is better in this position.
I have showed you that what you were saying was WRONG!
Didn't you see that? Why you avoided answering this?

Also you don't know what 0.69 for Crafty means and what 0.28 for Rybka means. I will not try to explain. You should find it yourself....

I also said that even IF Rybka didn't believe that white is better, then this is just a single position.
And from a single position you generalized that Rybka is stupid.
No comments needed for that.