trojanfoe wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I am interested in seeing this issue discussed and if it came to it, would support any action taken to resolve the possible GPL violation. This forum also seems to be the best place on the internet to discuss it, given the member's depth of knowledge and experience in the subject; it's just that the forum charter seems to prohibit such discussion, which is a shame given the popularity within chess programming of cloning other's work. The charter doesn't seem the fit in this regard.
Cheers,
Andy
actually this type of discussion is tailored made for the CCC and always has been
Today we are seeing forums created by specific engines...
the Rybka forum as an example
we see nothing about this there..not one word..even after days of discussion and literally 100's of posts
and this is to be expected
however the CCC is not aligned to any one engine and historically has acted as independent entity in discussing all engines for the benefit of the consumer and for programmers
a "Watchdog for the industry " so to speak
indeed the charter prohibits commercial exhortations of any particular engine
the sudden wave of posts calling for censorship of this topic i think is an indication that the evidence presented is starting to hit very close to home
i am a Rybka customer having purchased Two Rybka Engines at 75 Euro per license which are used in my Revelation and Resurrection II dedicated chess computers
i am interested to know if i bought a derived version of Fruit
who is going to inform me and other users of this if not here?
to say that the presentation and discussion of evidence by well known and respected members of the Chess Computer community regarding a specific engine.. is nothing more then a personal attack against the author ..is to decry the scientific method itself
if this topic is now ..suddenly.. considered as against the Charter.. then one of the main purposes for the boards existence has now been eliminated ...
Regards
Steve
Steve,
I am beginning to wonder just why it is that so many of your appearances here are connected to moderation and/or some alleged bad aspect of CCC.
I see this comment of yours
"then one of the main purposes for the boards existence has now been eliminated"
as indicative or your desires for a long time now.
Your comment:
"the sudden wave of posts calling for censorship of this topic"
is nonsense. Nobody is calling for censorship as far as I can see. Some people are requesting that the personal attacks and potential libel is cut down and/or reduced, which is entirely different to 'censorship'
and lastly, your comment
"i think is an indication that the evidence presented is starting to hit very close to home"
is suggestively unwarranted and really quite devious.
trojanfoe wrote:
It's an important point though; we are discussing the possible violation of a license agreement (the GPL) within a forum environment that prohibits 'accusation'. Seems to me that it's like the pot calling the kettle black in some ways (although I see the violation of the GPL as being 'more important' that the violation of a forum charter).
Don't get me wrong, I am interested in seeing this issue discussed and if it came to it, would support any action taken to resolve the possible GPL violation. This forum also seems to be the best place on the internet to discuss it, given the member's depth of knowledge and experience in the subject; it's just that the forum charter seems to prohibit such discussion, which is a shame given the popularity within chess programming of cloning other's work. The charter doesn't seem the fit in this regard.
Cheers,
Andy
I agree with you that this forum seems the best place to discuss such issues.
Steve B wrote:
actually this type of discussion is tailored made for the CCC and always has been
Today we are seeing forums created by specific engines...
the Rybka forum as an example
we see nothing about this there..not one word..even after days of discussion and literally 100's of posts
and this is to be expected
however the CCC is not aligned to any one engine and historically has acted as independent entity in discussing all engines for the benefit of the consumer and for programmers
a "Watchdog for the industry " so to speak
indeed the charter prohibits commercial exhortations of any particular engine
the sudden wave of posts calling for censorship of this topic i think is an indication that the evidence presented is starting to hit very close to home
i am a Rybka customer having purchased Two Rybka Engines at 75 Euro per license which are used in my Revelation and Resurrection II dedicated chess computers
i am interested to know if i bought a derived version of Fruit
who is going to inform me and other users of this if not here?
to say that the presentation and discussion of evidence by well known and respected members of the Chess Computer community regarding a specific engine.. is nothing more then a personal attack against the author ..is to decry the scientific method itself
if this topic is now ..suddenly.. considered as against the Charter.. then one of the main purposes for the boards existence has now been eliminated ...
Regards
Steve
Steve,
I am beginning to wonder just why it is that so many of your appearances here are connected to moderation and/or some alleged bad aspect of CCC.
I see this comment of yours
"then one of the main purposes for the boards existence has now been eliminated"
as indicative or your desires for a long time now.
Your comment:
"the sudden wave of posts calling for censorship of this topic"
is nonsense. Nobody is calling for censorship as far as I can see. Some people are requesting that the personal attacks and potential libel is cut down and/or reduced, which is entirely different to 'censorship'
and lastly, your comment
"i think is an indication that the evidence presented is starting to hit very close to home"
is suggestively unwarranted and really quite devious.
Bombastic regards Chris
Chris-
your post above does indeed 'appear' personal in nature.
i don't have any info on Steve B's history, but is that really relevant?
his post seemed quite respectful, logical, well-worded and level-headed to me, not devious.
Norm
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Norm, in this case you must read the complete message of SteveB and not only the chosen snippets. IMO SteveB was completely wrong with what he meant to have diagnosed. I could correct him on the other assumption about Rybka forum.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
kranium wrote:
Chris-
your post above does indeed 'appear' personal in nature.
i don't have any info on Steve B's history, but is that really relevant?
his post seemed quite respectful, logical, well-worded and level-headed to me, not devious.
Norm
i guess Norm my "personal history" might include the fact that i was a moderator on the Hiarcs forum
it should be pointed out that i no longer am a moderator there and my posts in this thread or any where else here do not have anything to do with my once being a mod there
hopefully my posts can be treated with the same level of impartiality offered other members
it seems others agree with me and Andy that the thread is topical for the CCC so hopefully it will remain so
kranium wrote:
Chris-
your post above does indeed 'appear' personal in nature.
i don't have any info on Steve B's history, but is that really relevant?
his post seemed quite respectful, logical, well-worded and level-headed to me, not devious.
Norm
i guess Norm my "personal history" might include the fact that i was a moderator on the Hiarcs forum
it should be pointed out that i no longer am a moderator there and my posts in this thread or any where else here do not have anything to do with my once being a mod there
hopefully my posts can be treated with the same level of impartiality offered other members
it seems others agree with me and Andy that the thread is topical for the CCC so hopefully it will remain so
kranium wrote:
Chris-
your post above does indeed 'appear' personal in nature.
i don't have any info on Steve B's history, but is that really relevant?
his post seemed quite respectful, logical, well-worded and level-headed to me, not devious.
Norm
i guess Norm my "personal history" might include the fact that i was a moderator on the Hiarcs forum
it should be pointed out that i no longer am a moderator there and my posts in this thread or any where else here do not have anything to do with my once being a mod there
hopefully my posts can be treated with the same level of impartiality offered other members
it seems others agree with me and Andy that the thread is topical for the CCC so hopefully it will remain so
Best Regards
Steve
I disagree because if Enrique is correct with his mention of the ICGA with higher importance, because then the whole "campaign" here would have had the effect of a sort of clearing how the arguments must be put to hurt Vas the most. I remind you all of what Graham had written, that this here already was something wrong after the written law of the charter here. If Vas is banned from the Olympiad this campaign here would have decisive effects IMO although NOTHING has been proven. Therefore I always asked for the other, practically ALL, commercial programmers. Because in Beijing these, although guilty themselves, will decide to ban Vas as if he's the only one with that practice. In endeffect two who are not sober themselves would have had the chance for such an evil intended campaign. Dont take me wrong. If something legal was violated, then this must be exmined. But then all commercial players should be researched.
For me personally the ICGA officials are dubious to say the least. Perhaps Vas could point this out if he refused to participate to then show the World the corrupt situation by of course the Toga clone being at the start. Of course the others would prefer Toga over Rybka the strongest ever.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
