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Kasparov on Morozevich

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"Morozevich is playing chess – refreshing and interesting chess. In a time where people are playing fifteen or twenty moves from preparation Morozevich is forcing his opponents to start thinking at move move seven – they can't take that kind of pressure!"

Now if we could only get Computers to do the same thing! Oh, but wait ...
They need there Opening Books! :cry:
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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I usually do my testing with CCRL with 10 move limit. 10 move book was used for Hydra :)

Imagine freestyle or World Computer Chess tournaments with 10 move book :lol:
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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AdminX wrote:"Morozevich is playing chess – refreshing and interesting chess. In a time where people are playing fifteen or twenty moves from preparation Morozevich is forcing his opponents to start thinking at move move seven – they can't take that kind of pressure!"

Now if we could only get Computers to do the same thing! Oh, but wait ...
They need there Opening Books! :cry:
And all his new moves/ideas will contribute to theory. :wink:
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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Let the engines play without book, then you'll discover stuff like the Rybka Gambit!:

[White "Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit"]
[Black "Naum 3.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "1. +0.07 1... +0.19"]
[PlyCount "228"]
[TimeControl "60+7"]

{Pondering=Off} 1. Nc3 {0.07/13 14}
d5 {0.19/14 12} 2. Nf3 {0.13/13 8} d4 {-0.05/14 8} 3. Nb5 {0.09/13 9} e5 {
0.07/14 10} 4. e3 {0.31/11 6} a6 {-0.29/13 6} 5. Nxe5 {0.00/11 9} axb5 {
-0.69/12 4} 6. Bxb5+ {-0.23/11 11} Nd7 {-1.05/13 15} 7. exd4 {-0.32/11 10} c6 {
-1.26/14 10} 8. Bd3 {-0.49/11 7} Nxe5 {-1.31/13 15} 9. dxe5 {-0.45/9 0} Ra5 {
-1.46/13 6} 10. O-O {-0.72/12 11} Rxe5 {-1.54/13 8} 11. b4 {-0.67/12 9} Bxb4 {
-1.49/13 8} 12. Bb2 {-0.67/11 4} Rg5 {-1.52/13 7} 13. f4 {-0.70/10 3} Rg4 {
-1.55/13 9} 14. Qe1+ {-0.94/11 10} Kf8 {-1.83/12 9} 15. h3 {-1.13/11 6} Bc5+ {
-2.03/12 13} 16. Kh1 {-0.81/11 2} h5 {-2.03/11 12} 17. Qe5 {-1.05/11 5} b6 {
-1.79/11 7} 18. a4 {-1.03/10 1} Rh6 {-1.62/12 9} 19. a5 {-0.69/10 4} f6 {
-1.59/12 6} 20. Qe2 {-0.72/12 10} bxa5 {-1.28/13 7} 21. Kh2 {-0.91/12 6} f5 {
-1.44/13 6} 22. Qe5 {-0.95/11 2} Bd6 {-1.63/13 7} 23. Ba3 {-1.00/11 2} Rgg6 {
-1.58/13 7} 24. Bxf5 {-1.22/12 10} Ne7 {-1.88/14 6} 25. Bxd6 {-1.21/12 3} Rxd6
{-1.88/14 5} 26. Bxc8 {-1.31/13 9} Rd5 {-2.03/14 8} 27. Qe3 {-1.42/12 8} Nxc8 {
-2.09/12 7} 28. d3 {-1.41/11 3} h4 {-2.13/12 7} 29. Rfb1 {-1.50/11 6} Rb5 {
-2.16/13 7} 30. Re1 {-1.56/12 8} Rg6 {-2.17/12 6} 31. Ra4 {-1.56/12 11} Nd6 {
-2.32/12 7} 32. Qf2 {-1.72/12 10} Kg8 {-2.12/11 6} 33. Qd4 {-1.90/13 12} Qb8 {
-2.38/12 7} 34. Re5 {-1.84/11 4} Qb7 {-2.23/13 6} 35. Qe3 {-1.52/12 4} Qa8 {
-2.02/12 7} 36. Qe2 {-1.56/12 8} Qd8 {-2.13/13 7} 37. Qf3 {-1.55/12 11} Qb6 {
-2.23/12 7} 38. Qh5 {-1.71/13 5} Rh6 {-2.31/13 7} 39. Qg5 {-1.89/14 10} Nf7 {
-2.51/15 6} 40. Re8+ {-2.52/14 8} Kh7 {-1.67/1 0} 41. Qg4 {-2.52/15 3} Qf2 {
-2.54/15 6} 42. Re2 {-2.59/14 5} Qf1 {-2.65/16 5} 43. Qf3 {-2.71/14 3} Qxf3 {
-2.77/16 11} 44. gxf3 {-2.49/12 0} Rf6 {-2.71/16 11} 45. Kg2 {-2.80/12 3} Rbf5
{-2.89/16 7} 46. Ree4 {-2.95/13 3} Rg6+ {-2.84/17 6} 47. Kf2 {-3.08/14 3} Rg3 {
-2.87/17 7} 48. Re6 {-3.23/14 4} Rxh3 {-3.03/16 6} 49. Rxc6 {-3.52/14 10} Rh2+
{-3.11/16 7} 50. Kg1 {-3.60/15 5} Rd2 {-3.11/15 7} 51. Ra6 {-3.89/14 6} Rxc2 {
-3.27/16 6} 52. R6xa5 {-3.93/15 3} Rxa5 {-3.26/16 7} 53. Rxa5 {-3.56/14 0} Kg6
{-3.78/17 6} 54. d4 {-4.04/14 1} h3 {-3.80/16 7} 55. Kh1 {-4.40/16 7} Rg2 {
-3.98/17 6} 56. f5+ {-4.78/16 4} Kf6 {-3.98/18 6} 57. f4 {-4.78/15 13} Rd2 {
-3.98/18 7} 58. Ra3 {-7.38/17 19} Rxd4 {-3.98/17 6} 59. Kh2 {-4.31/18 10} Rxf4
{-3.98/17 5} 60. Kxh3 {-4.30/18 3} Kxf5 {-3.98/16 5} 61. Ra7 {-4.12/14 1} Ng5+
{-3.98/16 9} 62. Kg2 {-4.14/14 0} Rg4+ {-3.98/16 7} 63. Kf1 {-4.47/16 7} Ne4 {
-3.98/15 6} 64. Rf7+ {-4.47/15 1} Nf6 {-3.98/16 7} 65. Rb7 {-4.95/15 6} g5 {
-3.98/17 7} 66. Kf2 {-4.99/15 4} Ne4+ {-3.98/16 5} 67. Ke2 {-4.98/14 1} Rg3 {
-3.98/15 6} 68. Rf7+ {-4.99/15 5} Kg4 {-3.98/16 9} 69. Ra7 {-4.98/16 6} Nc3+ {
-3.98/15 7} 70. Kd2 {-5.00/17 6} Nd5 {-3.98/14 7} 71. Ra5 {-4.99/14 4} Rg2+ {
-3.98/15 7} 72. Kd3 {-4.57/11 1} Nf4+ {-3.98/15 3} 73. Kd4 {-5.08/14 4} Rd2+ {
-3.98/15 5} 74. Ke3 {-5.08/14 4} Re2+ {-3.98/14 11} 75. Kd4 {-5.08/14 5} Re1 {
-3.98/15 7} 76. Rb5 {-5.08/12 9} Ra1 {-3.98/14 5} 77. Ke3 {-4.90/13 14} Rc1 {
-3.98/15 8} 78. Kd2 {-4.98/14 3} Rc7 {-3.98/15 6} 79. Ra5 {-5.08/14 7} Re7 {
-3.98/16 6} 80. Ra3 {-5.08/12 4} Re8 {-3.98/15 7} 81. Rc3 {-5.13/12 10} Nd5 {
-3.98/14 5} 82. Rc1 {-5.08/14 4} Re6 {-3.98/14 5} 83. Rc5 {-5.13/14 14} Nf4 {
-3.98/16 4} 84. Rb5 {-5.25/13 24} Kh4 {-3.98/16 8} 85. Rb4 {-5.25/13 19} Re2+ {
-3.98/16 9} 86. Kd1 {-5.47/13 8} Kg3 {-3.98/17 8} 87. Rb3+ {-5.88/12 7} Kg4 {
-3.98/18 6} 88. Rb5 {-5.22/12 6} Rh2 {-3.98/18 8} 89. Ra5 {-5.15/15 12} Rf2 {
-3.98/16 7} 90. Ra3 {-5.22/14 11} Rb2 {-3.98/17 7} 91. Kc1 {-5.22/14 11} Rh2 {
-3.98/17 6} 92. Kd1 {-5.15/13 6} Nd5 {-3.98/16 4} 93. Rd3 {-5.09/14 2} Nf6 {
-3.98/15 6} 94. Rd8 {-5.13/14 5} Ne4 {-3.98/16 6} 95. Rf8 {-5.22/13 2} Ra2 {
-3.98/17 7} 96. Ke1 {-5.15/14 5} Rb2 {-3.98/16 4} 97. Rf7 {-5.30/14 8} Rb8 {
-3.98/16 5} 98. Ke2 {-5.01/14 3} Ng3+ {-3.98/16 7} 99. Ke1 {-5.01/14 11} Rb2 {
-3.98/16 6} 100. Ra7 {-5.34/15 12} Kf5 {-3.98/13 6} 101. Ra4 {-5.36/14 13} g4 {
-3.98/14 6} 102. Ra7 {-5.33/13 6} Ne4 {-7.88/14 7} 103. Rf7+ {-8.64/12 11} Ke5
{-10.26/18 10} 104. Rg7 {-9.44/13 5} Kf4 {-13.10/17 11} 105. Kf1 {-6.20/11 9}
g3 {-#10/13 0} 106. Rg8 {-9.59/10 5} Ng5 {-#9/11 0} 107. Rf8+ {-#9/10 0} Kg4 {
-#8/10 0} 108. Rg8 {-#8/9 0} g2+ {-#7/8 0} 109. Kg1 {-#7/8 0} Kf4 {-#6/7 0}
110. Rxg5 {-#6/6 0} Kxg5 {-13.66/4 0} 111. Kh2 {-#5/5 0} Kg4 {-#4/4 0} 112. Kg1
{-#3/3 0} Kf3 {-#3/2 0} 113. Kh2 {-#2/3 0} Rb1 {-#2/1 0} 114. Kh3 {-#1/3 0}
Rh1# {-#1/1 0 Checkmate !!} 0-1

I have yet to see Rybka winning with it, but you won't find this kind of game in the books 8-)
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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If I didn't see the full game, I would have thought you were kidding me. :lol:

[d]rnbqkbnr/1pp2ppp/p7/1N2p3/3p4/4PN2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 5
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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AdminX wrote:If I didn't see the full game, I would have thought you were kidding me. :lol:

[d]rnbqkbnr/1pp2ppp/p7/1N2p3/3p4/4PN2/PPPP1PPP/R1BQKB1R w KQkq - 0 5
Rybka improved on this master game and correctly decided to sac the knight instead of the humble retreat Na3 which didn't turn out very well for white.

[Event "Tula Afromeevoi mem"]
[Site "Tula"]
[Date "2006.07.07"]
[Round "12"]
[White "Ivanov, Igor Y"]
[Black "Zaitsev, Alexander Jr"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]
[WhiteElo "2405"]
[BlackElo "2431"]
[PlyCount "84"]
[EventDate "2006.06.30"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "15"]
[EventCountry "RUS"]

1. Nc3 d5 2. Nf3 d4 3. Nb5 c5 4. h3 Nf6 5. e3 a6 6. Na3 Nc6 7. Be2 e5 8. d3 Bd6
9. O-O O-O 10. Bd2 b5 11. Ng5 Bb7 12. Bf3 Bc7 13. Re1 Qd6 14. c4 dxc3 15. Bxc3
b4 16. Nc4 Qd7 17. Bd2 Qxd3 18. Qa4 e4 19. Be2 Qd5 20. h4 Ne5 21. Qc2 Rfd8 22.
Red1 Nd3 23. f4 Rd7 24. a3 h6 25. Nh3 Rad8 26. Qb3 a5 27. Qa2 b3 28. Qxb3 Ba6
29. Nxa5 Nxb2 30. Bxa6 Nxd1 31. Nc4 Qe6 32. Rxd1 Qxa6 33. Nf2 Qe6 34. Qc2 Rd5
35. Rb1 Ng4 36. Rb7 Nxf2 37. Kxf2 Bxf4 38. exf4 Rxd2+ 39. Nxd2 e3+ 40. Kf1 exd2
41. Rb1 Qe3 42. Qd1 Rd4 0-1
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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Dr.Ex wrote:Rybka improved on this master game
But Rybka lost this game, do you mean that the sacrifice is sound but Rybka made a blunder afterwards?
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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Ovyron wrote:
Dr.Ex wrote:Rybka improved on this master game
But Rybka lost this game, do you mean that the sacrifice is sound but Rybka made a blunder afterwards?
No, i was joking. The sacrifice is unsound, just like 3...e5? is unsound. I just take it.
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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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Ovyron wrote:Let the engines play without book, then you'll discover stuff like the Rybka Gambit!:

[White "Rybka 2.3.2a 32-bit"]
[Black "Naum 3.1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "1. +0.07 1... +0.19"]
[PlyCount "228"]
[TimeControl "60+7"]

{Pondering=Off} 1. Nc3 {0.07/13 14}
d5 {0.19/14 12} 2. Nf3 {0.13/13 8} d4 {-0.05/14 8} 3. Nb5 {0.09/13 9} e5 {
0.07/14 10} 4. e3 {0.31/11 6} a6 {-0.29/13 6} 5. Nxe5 {0.00/11 9} axb5 {
-0.69/12 4} 6. Bxb5+ {-0.23/11 11} Nd7 {-1.05/13 15} 7. exd4 {-0.32/11 10} c6 {
-1.26/14 10} 8. Bd3 {-0.49/11 7} Nxe5 {-1.31/13 15} 9. dxe5 {-0.45/9 0} Ra5 {
-1.46/13 6} 10. O-O {-0.72/12 11} Rxe5 {-1.54/13 8} 11. b4 {-0.67/12 9} Bxb4 {
-1.49/13 8} 12. Bb2 {-0.67/11 4} Rg5 {-1.52/13 7} 13. f4 {-0.70/10 3} Rg4 {
-1.55/13 9} 14. Qe1+ {-0.94/11 10} Kf8 {-1.83/12 9} 15. h3 {-1.13/11 6} Bc5+ {
-2.03/12 13} 16. Kh1 {-0.81/11 2} h5 {-2.03/11 12} 17. Qe5 {-1.05/11 5} b6 {
-1.79/11 7} 18. a4 {-1.03/10 1} Rh6 {-1.62/12 9} 19. a5 {-0.69/10 4} f6 {
-1.59/12 6} 20. Qe2 {-0.72/12 10} bxa5 {-1.28/13 7} 21. Kh2 {-0.91/12 6} f5 {
-1.44/13 6} 22. Qe5 {-0.95/11 2} Bd6 {-1.63/13 7} 23. Ba3 {-1.00/11 2} Rgg6 {
-1.58/13 7} 24. Bxf5 {-1.22/12 10} Ne7 {-1.88/14 6} 25. Bxd6 {-1.21/12 3} Rxd6
{-1.88/14 5} 26. Bxc8 {-1.31/13 9} Rd5 {-2.03/14 8} 27. Qe3 {-1.42/12 8} Nxc8 {
-2.09/12 7} 28. d3 {-1.41/11 3} h4 {-2.13/12 7} 29. Rfb1 {-1.50/11 6} Rb5 {
-2.16/13 7} 30. Re1 {-1.56/12 8} Rg6 {-2.17/12 6} 31. Ra4 {-1.56/12 11} Nd6 {
-2.32/12 7} 32. Qf2 {-1.72/12 10} Kg8 {-2.12/11 6} 33. Qd4 {-1.90/13 12} Qb8 {
-2.38/12 7} 34. Re5 {-1.84/11 4} Qb7 {-2.23/13 6} 35. Qe3 {-1.52/12 4} Qa8 {
-2.02/12 7} 36. Qe2 {-1.56/12 8} Qd8 {-2.13/13 7} 37. Qf3 {-1.55/12 11} Qb6 {
-2.23/12 7} 38. Qh5 {-1.71/13 5} Rh6 {-2.31/13 7} 39. Qg5 {-1.89/14 10} Nf7 {
-2.51/15 6} 40. Re8+ {-2.52/14 8} Kh7 {-1.67/1 0} 41. Qg4 {-2.52/15 3} Qf2 {
-2.54/15 6} 42. Re2 {-2.59/14 5} Qf1 {-2.65/16 5} 43. Qf3 {-2.71/14 3} Qxf3 {
-2.77/16 11} 44. gxf3 {-2.49/12 0} Rf6 {-2.71/16 11} 45. Kg2 {-2.80/12 3} Rbf5
{-2.89/16 7} 46. Ree4 {-2.95/13 3} Rg6+ {-2.84/17 6} 47. Kf2 {-3.08/14 3} Rg3 {
-2.87/17 7} 48. Re6 {-3.23/14 4} Rxh3 {-3.03/16 6} 49. Rxc6 {-3.52/14 10} Rh2+
{-3.11/16 7} 50. Kg1 {-3.60/15 5} Rd2 {-3.11/15 7} 51. Ra6 {-3.89/14 6} Rxc2 {
-3.27/16 6} 52. R6xa5 {-3.93/15 3} Rxa5 {-3.26/16 7} 53. Rxa5 {-3.56/14 0} Kg6
{-3.78/17 6} 54. d4 {-4.04/14 1} h3 {-3.80/16 7} 55. Kh1 {-4.40/16 7} Rg2 {
-3.98/17 6} 56. f5+ {-4.78/16 4} Kf6 {-3.98/18 6} 57. f4 {-4.78/15 13} Rd2 {
-3.98/18 7} 58. Ra3 {-7.38/17 19} Rxd4 {-3.98/17 6} 59. Kh2 {-4.31/18 10} Rxf4
{-3.98/17 5} 60. Kxh3 {-4.30/18 3} Kxf5 {-3.98/16 5} 61. Ra7 {-4.12/14 1} Ng5+
{-3.98/16 9} 62. Kg2 {-4.14/14 0} Rg4+ {-3.98/16 7} 63. Kf1 {-4.47/16 7} Ne4 {
-3.98/15 6} 64. Rf7+ {-4.47/15 1} Nf6 {-3.98/16 7} 65. Rb7 {-4.95/15 6} g5 {
-3.98/17 7} 66. Kf2 {-4.99/15 4} Ne4+ {-3.98/16 5} 67. Ke2 {-4.98/14 1} Rg3 {
-3.98/15 6} 68. Rf7+ {-4.99/15 5} Kg4 {-3.98/16 9} 69. Ra7 {-4.98/16 6} Nc3+ {
-3.98/15 7} 70. Kd2 {-5.00/17 6} Nd5 {-3.98/14 7} 71. Ra5 {-4.99/14 4} Rg2+ {
-3.98/15 7} 72. Kd3 {-4.57/11 1} Nf4+ {-3.98/15 3} 73. Kd4 {-5.08/14 4} Rd2+ {
-3.98/15 5} 74. Ke3 {-5.08/14 4} Re2+ {-3.98/14 11} 75. Kd4 {-5.08/14 5} Re1 {
-3.98/15 7} 76. Rb5 {-5.08/12 9} Ra1 {-3.98/14 5} 77. Ke3 {-4.90/13 14} Rc1 {
-3.98/15 8} 78. Kd2 {-4.98/14 3} Rc7 {-3.98/15 6} 79. Ra5 {-5.08/14 7} Re7 {
-3.98/16 6} 80. Ra3 {-5.08/12 4} Re8 {-3.98/15 7} 81. Rc3 {-5.13/12 10} Nd5 {
-3.98/14 5} 82. Rc1 {-5.08/14 4} Re6 {-3.98/14 5} 83. Rc5 {-5.13/14 14} Nf4 {
-3.98/16 4} 84. Rb5 {-5.25/13 24} Kh4 {-3.98/16 8} 85. Rb4 {-5.25/13 19} Re2+ {
-3.98/16 9} 86. Kd1 {-5.47/13 8} Kg3 {-3.98/17 8} 87. Rb3+ {-5.88/12 7} Kg4 {
-3.98/18 6} 88. Rb5 {-5.22/12 6} Rh2 {-3.98/18 8} 89. Ra5 {-5.15/15 12} Rf2 {
-3.98/16 7} 90. Ra3 {-5.22/14 11} Rb2 {-3.98/17 7} 91. Kc1 {-5.22/14 11} Rh2 {
-3.98/17 6} 92. Kd1 {-5.15/13 6} Nd5 {-3.98/16 4} 93. Rd3 {-5.09/14 2} Nf6 {
-3.98/15 6} 94. Rd8 {-5.13/14 5} Ne4 {-3.98/16 6} 95. Rf8 {-5.22/13 2} Ra2 {
-3.98/17 7} 96. Ke1 {-5.15/14 5} Rb2 {-3.98/16 4} 97. Rf7 {-5.30/14 8} Rb8 {
-3.98/16 5} 98. Ke2 {-5.01/14 3} Ng3+ {-3.98/16 7} 99. Ke1 {-5.01/14 11} Rb2 {
-3.98/16 6} 100. Ra7 {-5.34/15 12} Kf5 {-3.98/13 6} 101. Ra4 {-5.36/14 13} g4 {
-3.98/14 6} 102. Ra7 {-5.33/13 6} Ne4 {-7.88/14 7} 103. Rf7+ {-8.64/12 11} Ke5
{-10.26/18 10} 104. Rg7 {-9.44/13 5} Kf4 {-13.10/17 11} 105. Kf1 {-6.20/11 9}
g3 {-#10/13 0} 106. Rg8 {-9.59/10 5} Ng5 {-#9/11 0} 107. Rf8+ {-#9/10 0} Kg4 {
-#8/10 0} 108. Rg8 {-#8/9 0} g2+ {-#7/8 0} 109. Kg1 {-#7/8 0} Kf4 {-#6/7 0}
110. Rxg5 {-#6/6 0} Kxg5 {-13.66/4 0} 111. Kh2 {-#5/5 0} Kg4 {-#4/4 0} 112. Kg1
{-#3/3 0} Kf3 {-#3/2 0} 113. Kh2 {-#2/3 0} Rb1 {-#2/1 0} 114. Kh3 {-#1/3 0}
Rh1# {-#1/1 0 Checkmate !!} 0-1

I have yet to see Rybka winning with it, but you won't find this kind of game in the books 8-)
only in fast time control.

Rybka2.3.2a knows to play Nxe5 at depth 12 and Rybka3 does not consider that move as best even at small depths.

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Re: Kasparov on Morozevich

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Uri Blass wrote:only in fast time control.
Yes, the point is that I found that game interesting and it would never have been played with generic books.