The Whistleblowers

[Tony Thomas]

Not everyone shunts whistleblowers when they provide enough evidence. I had said a while back that I was going to buy Rybka 3, now that I have seen compelling evidence of Rybka's beginnings I have changed my decision. I wont buy Rybka until I get a decent explanation from Vas about all the similarities in codes between Rybka beta and Fruit.

[Terry McCracken]

Whistleblower's actions are often based a sincere and deep belief that what they are doing is right.

Cute!

Such a touching alternative to actual, real evidence.

Am I quite alone in imagining the evidence should have been prepared BEFORE opening all these threads?

Where's the evidence?

There has been an enormous amount of material presented. the info was indeed prepared before the the creation of any thread, and was presented as the 1st post of the thread.

Apparently you, with your expert legal staff, have decided it's not 'evidence'. it is you and you alone that is making this determination...and repeatedly proclaiming it as fact.

What a load of tosh.

The first post contains a Rybka code chunk disassembly with nothing to compare it to. Because it was all hieroglyphics to you and several others, you just accepted it on face value as "evidence" that Rybka more of less equals Fruit. It is actually nothing of the sort - where's the Fruit code for comparison? Not there is it? Doh!

The high priest programmers spoke incomprehensively and the followers gazed in awe. They must be right, innit? The non-evidence post one then is bumped to the head of the thread continually by someone else who also doesn't understand it.

When the so-called jury doesn't understand the 'evidence', when the 'evidence' isn't evidence and says nothing, when you act on belief, blind faith, zero facts and dubious motive - what have we got? A witchhunt, no more and no less.

Where's the evidence?

Yeah Right Chris! You've no idea what I do or do not know. You keep repeating it ad nauseam! You make me sick! Bob certainly knows and you jump on him at every turn. There is no way in hell I'll I'd ever offer you any information about myself on a forum this contemptable!

[Terry McCracken]

Whistleblower's actions are often based a sincere and deep belief that what they are doing is right.

Cute!

Such a touching alternative to actual, real evidence.

Am I quite alone in imagining the evidence should have been prepared BEFORE opening all these threads?

Where's the evidence?

There has been an enormous amount of material presented. the info was indeed prepared before the the creation of any thread, and was presented as the 1st post of the thread.

Apparently you, with your expert legal staff, have decided it's not 'evidence'. it is you and you alone that is making this determination...and repeatedly proclaiming it as fact.

What a load of tosh.

The first post contains a Rybka code chunk disassembly with nothing to compare it to. Because it was all hieroglyphics to you and several others, you just accepted it on face value as "evidence" that Rybka more of less equals Fruit. It is actually nothing of the sort - where's the Fruit code for comparison? Not there is it? Doh!

The high priest programmers spoke incomprehensively and the followers gazed in awe. They must be right, innit? The non-evidence post one then is bumped to the head of the thread continually by someone else who also doesn't understand it.

When the so-called jury doesn't understand the 'evidence', when the 'evidence' isn't evidence and says nothing, when you act on belief, blind faith, zero facts and dubious motive - what have we got? A witchhunt, no more and no less.

Where's the evidence?

You haven't bothered to comment about this thread, Mr. Whittington!

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23275

[mclane]

Where's the evidence?

http://64.68.157.89/forum/viewtopic.php ... 00&t=23275

[ozziejoe]

yes, good point chris.

Maybe the evidence can be posted on a website somewhere so we could all review it at our leasure, and without it getting lost in the massive set of emails.

I am suprised that you could just copy fruit and then somehow have a bitboard engine, but maybe converting to bitboard is trivial and almost all the code is fruits. I'd love to see the side by side comparison.


First, Evidence , second, critical evaluation of evidence , third, criticize vas if he has cheated
best
j

[fern]

I have seen lot of assblowers to whom you now make appears as apostols of truth in the middle of a linching crowd.
Nobody is devotee of Rybka because they reject claims about cloning, neither there are followers of Vas because they does not like to see him crucified just like that.I am not a programmer, but I have common sense enough to distinguish between something that is a copy and so, and because of that, is NOT and could NOT be very superior to the cloned thing, and something that is so superior that cannot be simply a clone.
If this simple logical argument is not enough, well...
my best
fern

[GenoM]

Discussions about Rybka origins hardly can be seen as witch-hunting. There is big difference. A crowd against the witch is the archetype. Here there is no such situation.
I think that here is valid another archetype: of man asking questions/scientist been put on the stake by the crowd.
You can guess by yourself who's playing these roles here.

[swami]

Not everyone shunts whistleblowers when they provide enough evidence. I had said a while back that I was going to buy Rybka 3, now that I have seen compelling evidence of Rybka's beginnings I have changed my decision. I wont buy Rybka until I get a decent explanation from Vas about all the similarities in codes between Rybka beta and Fruit.

Hi Tony,

You said you were going to buy both the Rybka engine and Aquarium. So have you bought the Aquarium alone finally, How was it??

[Tony Thomas]

Not everyone shunts whistleblowers when they provide enough evidence. I had said a while back that I was going to buy Rybka 3, now that I have seen compelling evidence of Rybka's beginnings I have changed my decision. I wont buy Rybka until I get a decent explanation from Vas about all the similarities in codes between Rybka beta and Fruit.

Hi Tony,

You said you were going to buy both the Rybka engine and Aquarium. So have you bought the Aquarium alone finally, How was it??

I havent bought either one of them. I downloaded the demo version of Aquarium, may be I am a conservative, I dont like it a one bit, reminds me of going through a webpage in a different language.

[tiger]

I have seen lot of assblowers to whom you now make appears as apostols of truth in the middle of a linching crowd.
Nobody is devotee of Rybka because they reject claims about cloning, neither there are followers of Vas because they does not like to see him crucified just like that.I am not a programmer, but I have common sense enough to distinguish between something that is a copy and so, and because of that, is NOT and could NOT be very superior to the cloned thing, and something that is so superior that cannot be simply a clone.
If this simple logical argument is not enough, well...
my best
fern

This is common sense that totally ignores the will of the original author. Your common sense, or your neighbour's, or mine, does not govern the way source code can be re-used.

Fabien Letouzey has published the source code of Fruit 2.1 under the GPL (General Public License). This license says that if you want to derive your work from Fruit 2.1 and publish it, then you have an obligation to publish that work under the GPL too, and you must release the source code of your derived work. This is what Fabien asks in return of his generosity: that your derived work stays open source.

So if you do not want your work to be open source and protected by the GPL, just do not start by modifying GPL source code.

The fact that the derived work is much stronger than the original is totally irrelevant.

Your common sense is also helpless at finding out if two chess programs are extremely similar just by looking at how strong they are. I can change a single line in my program and it will play hundreds of elos weaker. The rating lists are also full of programs that are as close as a handful of elo points and are totally different.

Ultimately, you can find if two chess programs are similar only by looking at their code.

You should definitely read the GPL (General Public license) because it is the license that protects the source code of Fruit 2.1. This text expresses the will of the author, Fabien Letouzey:

http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html



// Christophe