Where is the evidence to be found?

[swami]

Bob,

Vas is a MIT Grad, MIT is the World's # 1 in Technology. That too a comp sci graduate I think. I have several friends, all school class mates, now doing their MS in MIT, all geniuses. And he is an IM as well with working together with team of people all IM's.

I don't see why he can't program Rybka to higher level, on his own. It seems very unlikely to me that with Rybka 1.0 would have snippets of code similarities with open source programs.

[Terry McCracken]

Bob,

Vas is a MIT Grad, MIT is the World's # 1 in Technology. That too a comp sci graduate I think. I have several friends, all school class mates, now doing their MS in MIT, all geniuses. And he is an IM as well with working together with team of people all IM's.

I don't see why he can't program Rybka to higher level, on his own. It seems very unlikely to me that with Rybka 1.0 would have snippets of code similarities with open source programs.

That doesn't refute a single fact! This is ridiculous!

[swami]

Bob,

Vas is a MIT Grad, MIT is the World's # 1 in Technology. That too a comp sci graduate I think. I have several friends, all school class mates, now doing their MS in MIT, all geniuses. And he is an IM as well with working together with team of people all IM's.

I don't see why he can't program Rybka to higher level, on his own. It seems very unlikely to me that with Rybka 1.0 would have snippets of code similarities with open source programs.

That doesn't refute a single fact! This is ridiculous!

Hi Terry,

I'm not taking sides, but just stating what I find it hard to believe.

That a programmer like Vas, can sacrifice his big job gotten from placement cell of world's #1 MIT and continue his chess programming full time. So I find it unlikely about the code similarities in version 1.0 that constitute GPL infringement. I know that I'm not talking about facts and instead resorting to something non technical.

You're right in that I'm not a programmer, so I will stay away from these discussions.

[Terry McCracken]

Bob,

Vas is a MIT Grad, MIT is the World's # 1 in Technology. That too a comp sci graduate I think. I have several friends, all school class mates, now doing their MS in MIT, all geniuses. And he is an IM as well with working together with team of people all IM's.

I don't see why he can't program Rybka to higher level, on his own. It seems very unlikely to me that with Rybka 1.0 would have snippets of code similarities with open source programs.

That doesn't refute a single fact! This is ridiculous!

Hi Terry,

I'm not taking sides, but just stating what I find it hard to believe.

That a programmer like Vas, can sacrifice his big job gotten from placement cell of world's #1 MIT and continue his chess programming full time.

You're right in that I'm not a programmer, so I will stay away from these discussions.

I'm not trying to chew you out. At least you're being polite.

Some here are going off the deep end and it's very frustrating. Bob has handled it well. So has Zack and Christophe, and others.

All they want is the truth, and that is all I ask as well. It's not about taking sides. Not for me.

I'm hoping Vas will provide an explanation. I hope this explanation will settle everything for everyone.

I hope there was no violation of the GPL and Rybka continues to flourish and Vas does well.

Terry

[GenoM]

I can without a doubt tell you what i am not: a "follow the crowd simpleton".

Neither am I.
In fact, my opinion is that you with your emotions are just increasing the noise in this topic.

[kranium]

Bob,

Vas is a MIT Grad, MIT is the World's # 1 in Technology. That too a comp sci graduate I think. I have several friends, all school class mates, now doing their MS in MIT, all geniuses. And he is an IM as well with working together with team of people all IM's.

I don't see why he can't program Rybka to higher level, on his own. It seems very unlikely to me that with Rybka 1.0 would have snippets of code similarities with open source programs.

That doesn't refute a single fact! This is ridiculous!

Hi Terry,

I'm not taking sides, but just stating what I find it hard to believe.

That a programmer like Vas, can sacrifice his big job gotten from placement cell of world's #1 MIT and continue his chess programming full time. So I find it unlikely about the code similarities in version 1.0 that constitute GPL infringement. I know that I'm not talking about facts and instead resorting to something non technical.

You're right in that I'm not a programmer, so I will stay away from these discussions.

no Swami, please don't stay away. your opinion is also valuable. being a programmer is not required to participate in this forum, as far as I know.

i do know, from my vast experience with the matter, that people make mistakes, exercise poor judgement...that's human.

i agree with you, Vas has done a miraculous job with Rybka, it's clear he is an exceptional programmer with an exceptional mind.

[geots]

Why don't you give them some time to produce the results of their research, instead of flaming the results before they are produced?

Well, considering they have started threads, and produced hundreds of posts on the matter, it seems strange to me to be asked to now wait for the results to be produced. What were the claims based on? The number of letters in the name?

Furthermore, the evidence presented will have to show that it is what helps Fruit play as well as it does, and this is also what helps Rybka play as well as it does. Otherwise, the evidence really wouldn't be any better than identical UCI protocols.

Albert

What _is_ the intent here. To deflect attention elsewhere once more? The evidence does _not_ have to show that is what helps fruit do anything. It only has to show that fruit was copied. Where are you trying to go with this? The goal of the two original investigators here was to simply answer the question "was rybka derived from fruit?" why is it necessary to have a continually shifting target and why do others get to dictate what Zach and Christophe were trying to answer?

Quite simply, copying _any part_ of a GPL program is not permissable. _any part_. Not just "key parts".

Whew. I see credibility sprouting wings and flying away. I would be real careful here.

[geots]

I can without a doubt tell you what i am not: a "follow the crowd simpleton".

Neither am I.
In fact, my opinion is that you with your emotions are just increasing the noise in this topic.

102nd time: Put up or shut up

[GenoM]

I can without a doubt tell you what i am not: a "follow the crowd simpleton".

Neither am I.
In fact, my opinion is that you with your emotions are just increasing the noise in this topic.

102nd time: Put up or shut up

Do you feel some kind superior to me, George?

[Zach Wegner]

I don't know why I'm even bothering, but I suppose you didn't see this: http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopi ... 68&#211968

That's peanuts compared to what I've seen. So yes, even more will be "put up". The question is, when will you "shut up"??