For ZACH WEGNER

[Zach Wegner]

And by the way, I invite EVERYONE, especially programmers, to look through my code. It's easily visible online, no need to download anything: http://zct.cvs.sourceforge.net/zct/zct/

[kranium]

As we speak, i have enlisted 2 programmers of enormous ability and a 3rd person whose forte' is just such, and they shall go over your program with 3 fine-toothed combs and a couple of extra-strength magnifying glasses. Hang around. Thsi is going to be fun.

VERY childish attitude.

are you reflecting the views of the CCRL here George, is this simply private vindictiveness?

you've attacked, Bob, myself, now Zach..., haven't you forgotten Christophe?

i guess this is where the character assasination of Zach begins..., threats included.

Strictly me and no one else, Norman. Have a nice day.

you're more than enough, it's clear you're capable of tarnishing the CCRL image single-handedly. interesting use of the logo however...
looks almost big enough to hide behind.

[geots]

And by the way, I invite EVERYONE, especially programmers, to look through my code. It's easily visible online, no need to download anything: http://zct.cvs.sourceforge.net/zct/zct/

I promise you that you do not want to hear what they told me on a public forum.

[geots]

As we speak, i have enlisted 2 programmers of enormous ability and a 3rd person whose forte' is just such, and they shall go over your program with 3 fine-toothed combs and a couple of extra-strength magnifying glasses. Hang around. Thsi is going to be fun.

VERY childish attitude.

are you reflecting the views of the CCRL here George, is this simply private vindictiveness?

you've attacked, Bob, myself, now Zach..., haven't you forgotten Christophe?

i guess this is where the character assasination of Zach begins..., threats included.

Strictly me and no one else, Norman. Have a nice day.

you're more than enough, it's clear you're capable of tarnishing the CCRL image single-handedly. interesting use of the logo however...
looks almost big enough to hide behind.

Hunt for another tactic- dear. We on CCRL are free to express our opinions soley apart from any other members- and what i say has nothing to do with any of them.

[kranium]

As we speak, i have enlisted 2 programmers of enormous ability and a 3rd person whose forte' is just such, and they shall go over your program with 3 fine-toothed combs and a couple of extra-strength magnifying glasses. Hang around. Thsi is going to be fun.

VERY childish attitude.

are you reflecting the views of the CCRL here George, is this simply private vindictiveness?

you've attacked, Bob, myself, now Zach..., haven't you forgotten Christophe?

i guess this is where the character assasination of Zach begins..., threats included.

Strictly me and no one else, Norman. Have a nice day.

you're more than enough, it's clear you're capable of tarnishing the CCRL image single-handedly. interesting use of the logo however...
looks almost big enough to hide behind.

Hunt for another tactic- dear. We on CCRL are free to express our opinions soley apart from any other members- and what i say has nothing to do with any of them.

this 'tactic' is ok for me...apparently you thrive on it, so why change it?
George, if it has nothing to do with them, then why display it...?

[Nimzovik]

Such hostility is not in keeping with the comportment of gentlemen. May I suggest a more charitable perspective? The debate of truth or not truth is not really the issue now. This has become a detriment to the participants that indulge such machinations of the piper of evil. Truth without compassion is.... hostility.

[gerold]

As we speak, i have enlisted 2 programmers of enormous ability and a 3rd person whose forte' is just such, and they shall go over your program with 3 fine-toothed combs and a couple of extra-strength magnifying glasses. Hang around. Thsi is going to be fun.

Hummmm pay back time A.

[Zach Wegner]

I promise you that you do not want to hear what they told me on a public forum.

Post it, I absolutely do not care. If you are so concerned with my feelings all of a sudden, then send it to me privately, and I'll post it myself. I also wonder who these anonymous experts you know are, and why they don't bother to come out and say something for themselves. It's also funny that your friends haven't bothered to touch Crafty or Chess Tiger. Perhaps they already know that they are beyond reproach? Just pick on the young guy...

But since you are actively trying to tarnish my name, I will list everything that could be considered even close to being copied from somewhere else, from the top to the bottom. The silly part of this is, that by constructing this list many of your uninformed cohorts will start to believe your pathetic rhetoric and think of me as a hypocrite. I really could not care less. Anyone who has any knowledge whatsoever about this subject, please feel free to step in and perhaps add an ounce of reason to this thread...

• The makefile uses -MM to create a dependency file. I got this idea from Fruit, but my implementation is completely different
• The Kogge-Stone fill generators. There's really only one way to write these, and my implementation is original
• Some assembly for bit scans, pop counts, and a lock. These were taken from Crafty, which apparently were taken from the Linux kernel (GPL).
• C code for bit scans and pop counts. These are again very common, and were rewritten.
• Similar input_available function. Again, rewritten.
• Random_hashkey function, rewritten
• time function, rewritten
• print() idea from Anthony Cozzie, implementation nowhere near his, completely original code
• somewhat similar mechanism in select_move function as Crafty, but really very different
• Scorpio EGBB probe code

I will add that all of these are listed in the source and/or the readme, minus the first one. I hadn't even thought of that, because I saw the option in Fruit's makefile, looked up the option, and implemented it by myself. Perhaps you would like to argue that I copied and pasted the three letters "-MM". I did just add Fabien to the list of credits though, as this could be seen as an oversight. So basically your "I do not want to hear" rambling is full of shit.

Anything else your "enormously talented" friends can find??? Perhaps they would like to comment also on the numerous things in the code which are different from any other engine??

I really cannot believe that the discussion has been reduced to this level. This will not be forgotten.

[geots]

Zach, i am not actively trying to tarnish your name. You have more than once said the evidence is there, but it takes time to get it all together. That translates into it is not really ready yet. For this to be true- what in hell have we been doing for the last 6 days. FIRST- you get ALL your ducks in a row- then you present your case. You DONT make charges and then say we will back them up in time. Secondly, i am not going to reapeat waht was said about your program. It serves no basic purpose in the discussion fo Vas and Rybka. Thirdly, you told me you will not forget this. Do i really and truly sound like i give a shit what you forget and dont forget?

[Terry McCracken]

Zack you're a brilliantly talented young man, you needn't concern yourself over empty rhetoric.

Terry