My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
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james uselton wrote:After the defeat of Kasparov by DB, IBM's stock rose by several points---which translates to many millions of dollars. Surely IBM could have forseen this and made arraingements with Kasparov to throw the match :shock: ---for a King's ransom! When you are talking that much money, anything is possible. Perhaps the fuss by Kasparov was an act to make it look real.
Collusions in chess have been around for a long time and probably will remain as long as chess is played.

I ask you---is it possible? :?:
One doesnt dare to speak it out so thanks for the invitation.

This is for me at least the main clue for this rematch in 1997.

Kasparov in the light of the World Press defending mankind.

Later perhaps becoming a politician and changing the whole world.

All that was in his mind. Just take a short look on how he organised his retreat.

In truth a chessmaster is much less in the eyes of the public. But then we all here bathed in the same delusions without having his genius.

Let me say it this way: Kasparov in his delusions couldnt believe that his American friends would risk the end of all such matches by simply trouncing him at the first occasion. But stupid enough they did.

In the lights of the billions the State (his citizans) must pay for the bank crisis now this is looking kind of weird however. IBM doesnt even have notebooks anymore. What a stupid development! Also, where is Hsu, and how was Campbell doing in 2005?. So, yes, Kasparov had been the right man for such a mega rebirth of the Christ. Instead he threw out Friedel and soon later he left chess for good.
Somebody has _got_ to come over to your house and help rid you of that monkey infestation. They are typing more and more gibberish each day...
How can one talk about something that is 2000 Elo points above yourself?
What are you talking about? I'm not a FIDE player, but my last USCF rating was just over 2200 in 1971. I know how to play the game. Had a friend that was a FIDE master and we used to play on ICC all the time, and we were pretty much dead even there. So I have no idea what you are on now... But the monkeys have got to go...
For many hours I was in a room with Bobby Fischer! I inhaled the air. I know how to play the game.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
james uselton wrote:After the defeat of Kasparov by DB, IBM's stock rose by several points---which translates to many millions of dollars. Surely IBM could have forseen this and made arraingements with Kasparov to throw the match :shock: ---for a King's ransom! When you are talking that much money, anything is possible. Perhaps the fuss by Kasparov was an act to make it look real.
Collusions in chess have been around for a long time and probably will remain as long as chess is played.

I ask you---is it possible? :?:
One doesnt dare to speak it out so thanks for the invitation.

This is for me at least the main clue for this rematch in 1997.

Kasparov in the light of the World Press defending mankind.

Later perhaps becoming a politician and changing the whole world.

All that was in his mind. Just take a short look on how he organised his retreat.

In truth a chessmaster is much less in the eyes of the public. But then we all here bathed in the same delusions without having his genius.

Let me say it this way: Kasparov in his delusions couldnt believe that his American friends would risk the end of all such matches by simply trouncing him at the first occasion. But stupid enough they did.

In the lights of the billions the State (his citizans) must pay for the bank crisis now this is looking kind of weird however. IBM doesnt even have notebooks anymore. What a stupid development! Also, where is Hsu, and how was Campbell doing in 2005?. So, yes, Kasparov had been the right man for such a mega rebirth of the Christ. Instead he threw out Friedel and soon later he left chess for good.
Somebody has _got_ to come over to your house and help rid you of that monkey infestation. They are typing more and more gibberish each day...
How can one talk about something that is 2000 Elo points above yourself?
What are you talking about? I'm not a FIDE player, but my last USCF rating was just over 2200 in 1971. I know how to play the game. Had a friend that was a FIDE master and we used to play on ICC all the time, and we were pretty much dead even there. So I have no idea what you are on now... But the monkeys have got to go...
For many hours I was in a room with Bobby Fischer! I inhaled the air. I know how to play the game.
Fine. For many years I actually sat at chessboards and played the game. Weekly chess club meetings, etc. So what does this have to do with your imaginary point you are trying to make?
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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
james uselton wrote:After the defeat of Kasparov by DB, IBM's stock rose by several points---which translates to many millions of dollars. Surely IBM could have forseen this and made arraingements with Kasparov to throw the match :shock: ---for a King's ransom! When you are talking that much money, anything is possible. Perhaps the fuss by Kasparov was an act to make it look real.
Collusions in chess have been around for a long time and probably will remain as long as chess is played.

I ask you---is it possible? :?:
One doesnt dare to speak it out so thanks for the invitation.

This is for me at least the main clue for this rematch in 1997.

Kasparov in the light of the World Press defending mankind.

Later perhaps becoming a politician and changing the whole world.

All that was in his mind. Just take a short look on how he organised his retreat.

In truth a chessmaster is much less in the eyes of the public. But then we all here bathed in the same delusions without having his genius.

Let me say it this way: Kasparov in his delusions couldnt believe that his American friends would risk the end of all such matches by simply trouncing him at the first occasion. But stupid enough they did.

In the lights of the billions the State (his citizans) must pay for the bank crisis now this is looking kind of weird however. IBM doesnt even have notebooks anymore. What a stupid development! Also, where is Hsu, and how was Campbell doing in 2005?. So, yes, Kasparov had been the right man for such a mega rebirth of the Christ. Instead he threw out Friedel and soon later he left chess for good.
Somebody has _got_ to come over to your house and help rid you of that monkey infestation. They are typing more and more gibberish each day...
How can one talk about something that is 2000 Elo points above yourself?
What are you talking about? I'm not a FIDE player, but my last USCF rating was just over 2200 in 1971. I know how to play the game. Had a friend that was a FIDE master and we used to play on ICC all the time, and we were pretty much dead even there. So I have no idea what you are on now... But the monkeys have got to go...
For many hours I was in a room with Bobby Fischer! I inhaled the air. I know how to play the game.
Fine. For many years I actually sat at chessboards and played the game. Weekly chess club meetings, etc. So what does this have to do with your imaginary point you are trying to make?
Ok, Bob, since you take this so seriously, let me frankly admit that i always thought that you were a chess patzer and not a real master of chess. I always thought that you relied completely on your Crafty outpuit. If that was a false assumption or impression, then I beg you to excuse it. I made a mistake and from now on I accept that you are a real chess expert witrh ca 2200 back in 1971 after the USCF ranking system. If it helps to find out the truth in the case with the violating of iron rules of science by the IBM/DB guys...
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
bob wrote:
Rolf wrote:
james uselton wrote:After the defeat of Kasparov by DB, IBM's stock rose by several points---which translates to many millions of dollars. Surely IBM could have forseen this and made arraingements with Kasparov to throw the match :shock: ---for a King's ransom! When you are talking that much money, anything is possible. Perhaps the fuss by Kasparov was an act to make it look real.
Collusions in chess have been around for a long time and probably will remain as long as chess is played.

I ask you---is it possible? :?:
One doesnt dare to speak it out so thanks for the invitation.

This is for me at least the main clue for this rematch in 1997.

Kasparov in the light of the World Press defending mankind.

Later perhaps becoming a politician and changing the whole world.

All that was in his mind. Just take a short look on how he organised his retreat.

In truth a chessmaster is much less in the eyes of the public. But then we all here bathed in the same delusions without having his genius.

Let me say it this way: Kasparov in his delusions couldnt believe that his American friends would risk the end of all such matches by simply trouncing him at the first occasion. But stupid enough they did.

In the lights of the billions the State (his citizans) must pay for the bank crisis now this is looking kind of weird however. IBM doesnt even have notebooks anymore. What a stupid development! Also, where is Hsu, and how was Campbell doing in 2005?. So, yes, Kasparov had been the right man for such a mega rebirth of the Christ. Instead he threw out Friedel and soon later he left chess for good.
Somebody has _got_ to come over to your house and help rid you of that monkey infestation. They are typing more and more gibberish each day...
How can one talk about something that is 2000 Elo points above yourself?
What are you talking about? I'm not a FIDE player, but my last USCF rating was just over 2200 in 1971. I know how to play the game. Had a friend that was a FIDE master and we used to play on ICC all the time, and we were pretty much dead even there. So I have no idea what you are on now... But the monkeys have got to go...
For many hours I was in a room with Bobby Fischer! I inhaled the air. I know how to play the game.
Fine. For many years I actually sat at chessboards and played the game. Weekly chess club meetings, etc. So what does this have to do with your imaginary point you are trying to make?
Ok, Bob, since you take this so seriously, let me frankly admit that i always thought that you were a chess patzer and not a real master of chess. I always thought that you relied completely on your Crafty outpuit. If that was a false assumption or impression, then I beg you to excuse it. I made a mistake and from now on I accept that you are a real chess expert witrh ca 2200 back in 1971 after the USCF ranking system. If it helps to find out the truth in the case with the violating of iron rules of science by the IBM/DB guys...
A pure sample of obsession Rolf....no need for more comments :!:
Recover soon regards,
Dr.D
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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:A pure sample of obsession Rolf....no need for more comments :!:
Recover soon regards,
Dr.D
Since when and where science is object of public acclamation? Stay out of this, please, and dont spoil such a topic.
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Rolf wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:A pure sample of obsession Rolf....no need for more comments :!:
Recover soon regards,
Dr.D
Since when and where science is object of public acclamation? Stay out of this, please, and dont spoil such a topic.
I meant exactly my words....you keep on repeating the same series of bashing the Deep Blue team without serious proofs....you are simply speculating not to mention that it's completely worthless and won't change damn nothing....
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Re: My observations on Kasparov vs Deep Blue rematch

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Rolf wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:A pure sample of obsession Rolf....no need for more comments :!:
Recover soon regards,
Dr.D
Since when and where science is object of public acclamation? Stay out of this, please, and dont spoil such a topic.
I meant exactly my words....you keep on repeating the same series of bashing the Deep Blue team without serious proofs....you are simply speculating not to mention that it's completely worthless and won't change damn nothing....
As I said, better keep out of this because you dont have a clue. I have nothing said that is speculative or even dubious because it's a fact that they violated an iron rule. To simply deny Kaspatov any kind of evidence of the output did change the setting of the whole event. First they wanted to examine if the machine could beat a Wch with its chess. But now it was about how could a human player be intrigued and disturbed by mistreating him with impoliteness. Of course then the whole setting is changed. It's now: can the human player show some of his talents dispite the disturbances. Kasparov couldnt although he put down DB in game 1 with absolute certainty and strength.

But again that isnt free for speculations and public approval or denial. Have you studied scientifical mehodology or not? I have.

So, in this case you cant step into such a debate and simply yelling that debaters should shut up becausae they had obsessions and were just speculating. Stay in your expertise and dont insult me here, please.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz