bob wrote:
It is _way_ beyond time to stop this line of reasoning. Why don't you take some free-source programs, and look to see how much similarity you find? See if you find identical arrays of evaluation constants. Large blocks of code that are identical. Even an identical bug here and there. You keep saying it is very likely. You should be able to prove that, there are dozens of programs to choose from, so the similarities should be rampant if your supposition is anywhere near reality...
Excuse me if I ask you back a question, because this message troubled me a bit. It seems to me as if you would speak to yourself and argue that the way you assisted yourself in the campaign (others call it smear campaign and I could agree) although the alibi you gave yourself is windy at least and certainly unallowed IMO, namely that what you insinuáte in Rybka vers. 1 you could likewise apply for all commercial = meaning unknown details of code and for all the rest of free progs. Why are you not in this chase or hunt after always new clones or stealing or borrowing or such - WHY you had to start this with the known and already experienced constellation after the first market shouts from Theron? What is the motif for your activities? Dont you realise that if you just claimed that you as a scientist just couldnt tolerate this or that, that then only had to be proven exactly, that you then must answer questions why you dont react in that manner in every thinkable other case, why only in the case of such a brilliant programmer collegue? Justify this if you can, Bob.
Again, I come with always the same: why dont you propose a general opening of all codes just to be able to control the legal situation and if everything is kosher in your eyes of expertise. Why do you hesitate?
And last question: dont you realise that what others always say so rightfully that already now after the longer campaign with your assistance the name of Vas has already been damaged at least seen on a view from CCC members and friends? Are you blind for these effects? Dont you agree with CW and George too that you should have since long have made your warning considerations in public to demonstrate the crowd on what shallow level Theron has started this smear campagne? I mean your authority is what counts. You make it clear one or two times and then it's respected. Give your say therefore! Dont duck and hide so much.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Zach Wegner wrote:Personal attacks are still not tolerated. Most likely this post will get deleted as well if someone complains. Keep it civil.
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Zach Wegner wrote:Personal attacks are still not tolerated. Most likely this post will get deleted as well if someone complains. Keep it civil.
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Hyatt has no personal interest in this but you claim he has.
You say Chris said this etc. Well he isn't a mindreader either!
Hyatt has a powerful reputation here and wouldn't through it in the toilet over this so you best remain silent.
Rolf wrote:Well done Slobo! Moral nothing wrong but Ethic unless money flows... Makes sense.
Yes, because moral is linked to social rules and laws.
Ethic is linked to what we are.
Who makes money flows is Rybka´s author,
so, if it is his system of values, then he should share his money flow
with the author whose ideas, and codes, he is using.
Ethics is only what we are without clear rules?? Let me shake my head a bit. There is not the difference between moral and ethic. First of all, before you make conclusions in that way you do it, you should ask yourself if you already have a clear case against Vas to make such nonsense allegations that he should owe monex to Fabien. Look if Fabien had wanted he could have ordered that everybody who read his code should at least pay him a thousand bucks. But Fabien, my dear and superficial Slobo, has never had anything against people who take his code as a model. I take for granted that you expect the judges in The Hague to apply a higher and more reasonable justice than what you accorded Vas in this case. But after your method it's almost an instant verdict trial with not so many arguments ... Please pay attention that Karadzic isnt a possible topic here in CCC. Concentrate on Vas.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Zach Wegner wrote:Personal attacks are still not tolerated. Most likely this post will get deleted as well if someone complains. Keep it civil.
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Hyatt has no personal interest in this but you claim he has.
You say Chris said this etc. Well he isn't a mindreader either!
Hyatt has a powerful reputation here and wouldn't through it in the toilet over this so you best remain silent.
Your conjecture is libel.
Understand?
Nope- dont understand at all. Chris W. can say it- and so can i. Case closed. Or sue me.
geots wrote:
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
I agree with you George that this case now must be taken - in special and most of all if they dont show up with absolute proof - to identify the participants of the smear activities so that they are branded with this intentional harm doing against the actually best ever programmer of CC. All in a row as there are, sorry if I count them up, but justice must be done: Bob, Zach, Norm and Christophe. And perhaps some other supporters. We are not the USA here and we have no Bush above us and we have no Guantanamo extra-justice illegal playground where we could enjoy the besmearing of someone like Vas, one of the most polite, civilized and generous members of our community who never said something negative about anyone here.
Insofar I disagrfee with you George that this case should just burn out. No, he should be taken as a base for a better future handling of the topic in our midsth. The four main actors must be held visibly identifiable for what the have done. As I said in case they dont present unrefutrable details of proof soon!
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
Zach Wegner wrote:Personal attacks are still not tolerated. Most likely this post will get deleted as well if someone complains. Keep it civil.
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
Hyatt has no personal interest in this but you claim he has.
You say Chris said this etc. Well he isn't a mindreader either!
Hyatt has a powerful reputation here and wouldn't through it in the toilet over this so you best remain silent.
Your conjecture is libel.
Understand?
Nope- dont understand at all. Chris W. can say it- and so can i. Case closed. Or sue me.
Who is Chris? God? Who are you? A Worshipper?
The Case is Open and Hyatt et al could sue! But it's not worth the time of day.
And neither are your delusive accusations!
It's clear you don't understand so you should be quiet!
geots wrote:
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
I agree with you George that this case now must be taken - in special and most of all if they dont show up with absolute proof - to identify the participants of the smear activities so that they are branded with this intentional harm doing against the actually best ever programmer of CC. All in a row as there are, sorry if I count them up, but justice must be done: Bob, Zach, Norm and Christophe. And perhaps some other supporters. We are not the USA here and we have no Bush above us and we have no Guantanamo extra-justice illegal playground where we could enjoy the besmearing of someone like Vas, one of the most polite, civilized and generous members of our community who never said something negative about anyone here.
Insofar I disagrfee with you George that this case should just burn out. No, he should be taken as a base for a better future handling of the topic in our midsth. The four main actors must be held visibly identifiable for what the have done. As I said in case they dont present unrefutrable details of proof soon!
Bollocks!
Let Vas speak, has he no tongue? No one is going to do a damn thing!
geots wrote:
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
I agree with you George that this case now must be taken - in special and most of all if they dont show up with absolute proof - to identify the participants of the smear activities so that they are branded with this intentional harm doing against the actually best ever programmer of CC. All in a row as there are, sorry if I count them up, but justice must be done: Bob, Zach, Norm and Christophe. And perhaps some other supporters. We are not the USA here and we have no Bush above us and we have no Guantanamo extra-justice illegal playground where we could enjoy the besmearing of someone like Vas, one of the most polite, civilized and generous members of our community who never said something negative about anyone here.
Insofar I disagrfee with you George that this case should just burn out. No, he should be taken as a base for a better future handling of the topic in our midsth. The four main actors must be held visibly identifiable for what the have done. As I said in case they dont present unrefutrable details of proof soon!
Bollocks!
Let Vas speak, has he no tongue? No one is going to do a damn thing!
Enough!
Why does he need to speak when no case has been put?
geots wrote:
I dont mind keeping it civil at all. But the fact remains that Chris Whittington said this was a smear campaign and nothing more than a witch hunt. And i fully agree with him. Nothing has been accomplished but dragging Vas' reputation thru the mud. You and Hyatt are both in the middle of it- whether you are a mod or not- and you both should be ashamed of yourselves. If you thought you had anything, you should all have kept your mouths shut until you had the evidence. Instead you drug him thru the mud and then said you would come back later with the evidence. That is the most unfair and biased mess i have seen maybe ever- and Hyatt is right there in the middle of it egging you on. And he thinks people are stupid enough not to realize what he is up to. This whole thing makes me sick to my stomach.
I agree with you George that this case now must be taken - in special and most of all if they dont show up with absolute proof - to identify the participants of the smear activities so that they are branded with this intentional harm doing against the actually best ever programmer of CC. All in a row as there are, sorry if I count them up, but justice must be done: Bob, Zach, Norm and Christophe. And perhaps some other supporters. We are not the USA here and we have no Bush above us and we have no Guantanamo extra-justice illegal playground where we could enjoy the besmearing of someone like Vas, one of the most polite, civilized and generous members of our community who never said something negative about anyone here.
Insofar I disagrfee with you George that this case should just burn out. No, he should be taken as a base for a better future handling of the topic in our midsth. The four main actors must be held visibly identifiable for what the have done. As I said in case they dont present unrefutrable details of proof soon!
Bollocks!
Let Vas speak, has he no tongue? No one is going to do a damn thing!
Enough!
Why does he need to speak when no case has been put?
During the afternoon show I already whistled the truth to P. Aloysius from Surabaya, that the whole campaign was meant as a sort of pressure, or torture, in Guantanamo style, to show Vas what would happen if he wouldnt quickly appear and licked the shoes of his critics. But he didnt appear. So, after a while, after the criticism against lynch climate, they made up their minds and disappeared with the promise that they wouldnt come back without a clear case. While Bob is their spokesman with the highest confidence factor in the scene. But actually, like against George, he gets into a mode where he orders who could say what. Like tmc who adds in what period you are actually in the trial because of your libel against these unvisible students of Bob. Enough! They can sue you. But they dont. Because who are you compared to ___? Let's see what the Late Night Special is doing.
-Popper and Lakatos are good but I'm stuck on Leibowitz
