Rf1 has a lot of potential and has already taken possession of the f-file. We might have to wait and watch.swami wrote:This is kind of position where anybody could guess that the probability that the game ends in draw is very rare. It's either win or lose situation unless a lot of minor pieces are exchanged up.BubbaTough wrote:Wow...mixing Bb4 with OO looks ... well .. nondrawish anyway.
-Sam
Key Indicators:
Pawn Structure - too aggressive on both the sides, they are not equal-one sided, fixed or aligned.
Black:
Good pawn structure on the queen side.
Black's King pawn cover too open, risky. short cut to get the Rooks into play.
Bishop on b7 - bad bishop. Must find ways to keep it active in later stage.
White:
Good center.
King safety - good.
Bishop on e2 bad, Rf1 not doing anything - he must bring them into play.
World Chess Championship (Game 9)
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
Anand,V - Kramnik,V, WCC2008 Bonn 2008
[d] r4rk1/pb3p2/2p1pq1p/1p4p1/1bpPPP2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 b - f3 0 1
Analysis by bright-0.3a:
[d] r4rk1/pb3p2/2p1pq1p/1p4p1/1bpPPP2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 b - f3 0 1
Analysis by bright-0.3a:
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16...Bxc3 17.bxc3 gxf4
-/+ (-1.01) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00
16...gxf4
-+ (-1.86) Depth: 1/3 00:00:00
16...gxf4 17.a3 Be7 18.h3 a5
-+ (-1.63) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...gxf4 17.a3 Be7 18.h3 a5
-+ (-1.63) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...gxf4 17.a3 Be7 18.h3 a5
-+ (-1.63) Depth: 4/11 00:00:00
16...gxf4 17.g3 Rfd8 18.Rxf4 Qg5
-/+ (-1.10) Depth: 5/21 00:00:00
16...gxf4 17.Qd2 e5 18.dxe5 Qxe5 19.Qxf4 Qxf4 20.Rxf4 Bc5+ 21.Kh1
-/+ (-0.87) Depth: 6/22 00:00:01 44kN
16...gxf4 17.Qd2 e5 18.dxe5 Qxe5 19.Qxf4 Qxf4 20.Rxf4 Bc5+ 21.Kh1
-/+ (-0.87) Depth: 7/22 00:00:01 82kN
16...gxf4 17.Qc1 e5 18.dxe5 Qxe5 19.Rxf4 Rad8 20.Rdf1 a5
-/+ (-0.86) Depth: 8/29 00:00:02 377kN
16...gxf4 17.g3 Qg6 18.Rxf4 f5 19.b3 Bxc3 20.Qxc3 fxe4 21.Rxf8+ Rxf8 22.bxc4
-/+ (-0.84) Depth: 9/29 00:00:02 751kN
16...gxf4 17.Qc1 e5 18.dxe5 Qxe5 19.Rxf4 Rad8 20.Rdf1 Qd4+ 21.Kh1 Qd2 22.Rg4+ Kh8
-/+ (-1.00) Depth: 10/31 00:00:02 2138kN
16...gxf4 17.e5 Qg6 18.Ne4 c5 19.Rxf4 f5 20.exf6 Bxe4 21.Rxe4 Rxf6 22.dxc5 Bxc5+ 23.Kh1
-/+ (-0.72) Depth: 11/31 00:00:03 3861kN
16...gxf4 17.e5 Qg6 18.Ne4 c5 19.Rxf4 Bxe4 20.Rxe4 Kh8 21.a3 Rg8 22.Bxc4 bxc4 23.axb4 cxb4
=/+ (-0.58) Depth: 12/33 00:00:04 8720kN
16...Rad8 17.fxg5 Qxg5 18.Rf3 Kh8 19.Rg3 Qf4 20.Rf3 Qh4 21.b3 e5 22.bxc4 exd4
-/+ (-0.87) Depth: 12/33 00:00:05 13251kN
16...Rad8 17.fxg5 Qxg5 18.Rf3 Kh8 19.Rg3 Qf4 20.Rf3 Qh4 21.Rh3 Qf6 22.e5 Qg6 23.Ne4 Rg8
-/+ (-0.82) Depth: 13/35 00:00:06 18035kN
16...Rad8 17.fxg5 Qxg5 18.Rf3 Kh8 19.Rg3 Qf4 20.Rf3 Qh4 21.Rh3 Qf6 22.e5 Qg6 23.Ne4 Rg8
-/+ (-0.82) Depth: 14/36 00:00:11 39289kN
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
True! I do like white better due to black's weak castled kingside.swami wrote:This is kind of position where anybody could guess that the probability that the game ends in draw is very rare. It's either win or lose situation unless a lot of minor pieces are exchanged up.BubbaTough wrote:Wow...mixing Bb4 with OO looks ... well .. nondrawish anyway.
-Sam
Key Indicators:
Pawn Structure - too aggressive on both the sides, they are not equal-one sided, fixed or aligned.
Black:
Good pawn structure on the queen side.
Black's King pawn cover too open, risky. short cut to get the Rooks into play.
Bishop on b7 - bad bishop. Must find ways to keep it active in later stage.
White:
Good center.
King safety - good.
Bishop on e2 bad, Rf1 not doing anything - he must bring them into play.

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.26"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "32"]
[EventDate "2008.10.26"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5
9. Be2 Bb7 10. Qc2 Nbd7 11. Rd1 Bb4 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. O-O Nxe5 14. Bxe5 O-O 15.
Bxf6 Qxf6 16. f4 Qg7 *
[d]r4rk1/pb3pq1/2p1p2p/1p4p1/1bpPPP2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 w - - 0 17
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.26"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "32"]
[EventDate "2008.10.26"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5
9. Be2 Bb7 10. Qc2 Nbd7 11. Rd1 Bb4 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. O-O Nxe5 14. Bxe5 O-O 15.
Bxf6 Qxf6 16. f4 Qg7 *
[d]r4rk1/pb3pq1/2p1p2p/1p4p1/1bpPPP2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 w - - 0 17
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
Well, I was talking about the position before the f4 was made.Anil wrote:Rf1 has a lot of potential and has already taken possession of the f-file. We might have to wait and watch.swami wrote:This is kind of position where anybody could guess that the probability that the game ends in draw is very rare. It's either win or lose situation unless a lot of minor pieces are exchanged up.BubbaTough wrote:Wow...mixing Bb4 with OO looks ... well .. nondrawish anyway.
-Sam
Key Indicators:
Pawn Structure - too aggressive on both the sides, they are not equal-one sided, fixed or aligned.
Black:
Good pawn structure on the queen side.
Black's King pawn cover too open, risky. short cut to get the Rooks into play.
Bishop on b7 - bad bishop. Must find ways to keep it active in later stage.
White:
Good center.
King safety - good.
Bishop on e2 bad, Rf1 not doing anything - he must bring them into play.

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
After some analysis, it looks like e5 is a good move for Anand to gain equality and some sort of initiative.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
Anand still pondering right now....
Two moves: fxg5 or e5.
I think e5 is actually good and positionally sound..
sets up the weak square on f6. Allows the Knight to be placed on e4. If traded, e6 pawn will become weak.
Two moves: fxg5 or e5.
I think e5 is actually good and positionally sound..
sets up the weak square on f6. Allows the Knight to be placed on e4. If traded, e6 pawn will become weak.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
Time remaining:
VA 1:08 - VK 1:25
Anand seems to be in trouble for the first time in the opening, most probably due to novelty by Kramnik! Anand should tread carefully now and should keep the time (per move / remaining) in mind.
VA 1:08 - VK 1:25
Anand seems to be in trouble for the first time in the opening, most probably due to novelty by Kramnik! Anand should tread carefully now and should keep the time (per move / remaining) in mind.
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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
Time ain't a problem for him, he would make less blunders even under time pressure relative to Kramnik, from what we have seen so far.Anil wrote:Time remaining:
VA 1:08 - VK 1:25
Anand seems to be in trouble for the first time in the opening, most probably due to novelty by Kramnik! Anand should tread carefully now and should keep the time (per move / remaining) in mind.

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Re: World Chess Championship (Game 9)
[Event "World Chess Championship 2008"]
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.26"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "33"]
[EventDate "2008.10.26"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5
9. Be2 Bb7 10. Qc2 Nbd7 11. Rd1 Bb4 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. O-O Nxe5 14. Bxe5 O-O 15.
Bxf6 Qxf6 16. f4 Qg7 17. e5 *
[d]r4rk1/pb3pq1/2p1p2p/1p2P1p1/1bpP1P2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 b - - 0 17
[Site "Bonn"]
[Date "2008.10.26"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "*"]
[WhiteElo "2783"]
[BlackElo "2772"]
[PlyCount "33"]
[EventDate "2008.10.26"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 c6 5. Bg5 h6 6. Bh4 dxc4 7. e4 g5 8. Bg3 b5
9. Be2 Bb7 10. Qc2 Nbd7 11. Rd1 Bb4 12. Ne5 Qe7 13. O-O Nxe5 14. Bxe5 O-O 15.
Bxf6 Qxf6 16. f4 Qg7 17. e5 *
[d]r4rk1/pb3pq1/2p1p2p/1p2P1p1/1bpP1P2/2N5/PPQ1B1PP/3R1RK1 b - - 0 17
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