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OK, I am a big fan of Frans, so I may have overreacted. Still, Frans should not be confused with ChessBase. When ChessBase did not participate with Fritz, Frans entered tournaments with Quest.Kirill Kryukov wrote: I don't think it's insulting, and I am ready to apologize in case if I am wrong. Also I certainly can't blame him or anyone else. It's just the way it is. Commercial authors have to feed their families like everyone else.
The wise engine author will never quit his day job. It would be irresponsible to his family.Kirill Kryukov wrote:Commercial authors have to feed their families like everyone else.
I always thought "Quest" was just to avoid the extra $250 entry fee? I.e. a renamed Fritz? I think I just picked up that impression reading here, you probably know better...Rémi Coulom wrote:OK, I am a big fan of Frans, so I may have overreacted. Still, Frans should not be confused with ChessBase. When ChessBase did not participate with Fritz, Frans entered tournaments with Quest.
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That may be true, I don't know. I don't want to speculate about the reasons. I am just acting like a stupid fan here.Zach Wegner wrote:I always thought "Quest" was just to avoid the extra $250 entry fee? I.e. a renamed Fritz? I think I just picked up that impression reading here, you probably know better...Rémi Coulom wrote:OK, I am a big fan of Frans, so I may have overreacted. Still, Frans should not be confused with ChessBase. When ChessBase did not participate with Fritz, Frans entered tournaments with Quest.
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Yeah, I would have though Vas was being an idiot too, but it seems to be working out for him so far.mhull wrote:The wise engine author will never quit his day job. It would be irresponsible to his family.Kirill Kryukov wrote:Commercial authors have to feed their families like everyone else.
Things are not incompatible because the goals should not be necessarily the same. What I am saying is that CCT could be formalized a bit and it does not take much effort. I have the feeling that most of the programmers (who are amateurs) do not want to change ICGA just because they do not even care. However, they do care about participating on internet. To make an analogy, it would be like comparing FIDE vs ICC. Regarding sponsorships, thanks to internet, we do not need much. ACCA was formed out the good will of Charles. We are not in Sporst Illustrated, but everybody is happy in ACCA. I do not see why the same thing cannot happen at a global level.Thomas Mayer wrote:with maybe the same problems. I mean the ICGA isn't as bad as everybody says here. It can't be the solution to exchange one organization by another one. If you want to change how things are handled just get member and start to change things, this is doable like in every organization, but somebody MUST do it. You want a WCCC in north- or south america ? Help to find a sponsor who wants to hold it. The ICGA is trying to listen to it's member but then the members must say what they want - and not in CCC because Levy etc. don't read here.michiguel wrote:We could found a World Chess Programmer Association and have our own championship.IanO wrote:Given the prevailing opinion that a hardware-restricted ICGA event no longer represents a real World Championship, which event should take over that prestigious title? The ICGA's own suggestion is an open Computer Olympiad event, but many people are suggesting an internet tournament such as the CCT. (CCT 1-6 is documented here.)
In pursuit of this, what safeguards would we need to add to the CCT in order to avoid cheating and such? How would we promote the event so that the rest of the world is clued in to its importance and so the world press would cover the event appropriately? Are there any other hurdles to overcome to transfer the title? What could be done to "sweeten the pot" so that all reasonable championship candidates would attend? (For instance, what was wrong with the WCCC that kept Fritz and Hiarcs away for so many years? How come Shredder and Fritz haven't competed in the CCT events? And how come we have not seen supercomputer participants like Hydra recently?)
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Greets, Thomas