Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

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Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by Uri »

[d]r1b2rk1/pp5p/6pb/1PBPp3/7q/3B1p2/PP1Q1PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 18

Rybka 3 recommends Qb4 which is not bad but even sharper is Be3.
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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

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r1b2rk1/pp5p/6pb/1PBPp3/7q/3B1p2/PP1Q1PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Zappa Mexico II 64-bit:

1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.Re7 Rf6 5.d6+ Kh8 6.d7 Bxd7 7.Qd5 Bf4 8.Qxg2
+/- (0.94) Depth: 9/33 00:00:02 509kN
+/- (0.76) Depth: 16/51 00:00:31 59342kN

1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Qg3 Qf6 4.Rxe5 Bg4 5.Rae1 Rad8 6.R1e3 Kh8 7.Kxg2 Bc8 8.Kg1 b6
+/- (0.95) Depth: 16/51 00:00:46 92981kN
+/- (1.15) Depth: 19/57 00:03:55 502mN


r1b2rk1/pp5p/6pb/1PBPp3/7q/3B1p2/PP1Q1PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Deep Junior 10.1:

1.Qc3 fxg2 2.Be4 Bf4 3.h3 Bxh3 4.Bxf8 Bd7 5.Kxg2 Qh2+ 6.Kf1 Rxf8 7.Qf3 Bh3+ 8.Ke2 b6
+/= (0.26) Depth: 3 00:00:00 2kN
=/+ (-0.51) Depth: 12 00:00:00 4706kN

1.Qb4 Rf4 2.g3 Rxb4 3.gxh4 Rg4+ 4.Kh1 Bf4 5.h5 b6 6.Be3 gxh5 7.Rac1
= (0.19) Depth: 12 00:00:01 8608kN

1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 Qg4 3.g3 Bf5 4.Rad1 Rf7 5.d6 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 Qh3 7.Qf1 Qe6 8.a4 Rc8 9.Qd3
+/= (0.31) Depth: 12 00:00:01 11061kN
+/- (0.94) Depth: 20 00:01:47 982mN
Last edited by AdminX on Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:51 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

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Analysis by Spike 1.2 Turin:

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1. +/-  (1.32): 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Qg3 Qd4 4.Rxe5 Qxb2 5.Rae1 Bg4 6.Re7 Rad8 7.Qh4 Bh5 8.Be4 Rde8 9.Bxg2 Rxe7 10.Rxe7 Qxb5 
2. +/-  (0.87): 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.Re7 Bg7 5.d6+ Kh8 6.d7 Rxf2 7.Qc4 Qxc4 8.Bxc4 Rf4 9.Re8+ Rf8 10.Rxf8+ Rxf8 11.Bd5 
3. =  (0.08): 1.Re4 Bf4 2.Rxf4 Qxf4 3.Qxf4 Rxf4 4.g3 Rf7 5.Be4 Bf5 6.Bxf3 Bd3 7.Bg4 b6 8.Bd6 h5 
4. =/+  (-0.55): 1.Qc3 fxg2 2.Re4 Bf4 3.Rxf4 Rxf4 4.Be3 Bh3 5.Bxf4 Qxf4 6.Bxg6 Bg4 7.Bb1 Rc8 8.Qg3 Qxg3 9.hxg3 
5. -/+  (-0.80): 1.Qc2 fxg2 2.Be3 Bxe3 3.Rxe3 Bd7 4.Rxe5 Rac8 5.Qd2 Rf7 6.Re4 Qh3 7.d6 Be6 8.Rae1 Rf6 9.Rf4 
6. -+  (-1.61): 1.Re3 fxg2 2.Qe1 Bf4 3.Rg3 Rf7 4.Rxg2 Bh3 5.Rg3 b6 6.Be3 Bxg3 7.hxg3 Qd8 8.Be4 Rc8 
7. -+  (-1.92): 1.Qa5 b6 2.g3 Qh5 3.Bxb6 Bf5 4.Rxe5 axb6 5.Qxb6 Bg7 6.Bxf5 Bxe5 7.Qe6+ Rf7 8.Qxe5 Rxf5 9.Qe6+ Rf7 
8. -+  (-2.19): 1.Qd1 fxg2 2.Re4 Bf4 3.Rxf4 Rxf4 4.Be3 Rf7 5.Rc1 b6 6.Rc4 Qh3 7.Be2 Rb8 8.Bg4 Bxg4 9.Qxg4 
9. -+  (-2.61): 1.g3 Qh3 2.Bf1 Bxd2 3.Bxh3 Bxh3 4.Bxf8 Bxe1 5.Rxe1 Kxf8 6.Re3 Rc8 7.Rxf3+ Ke7 8.Rc3 Kd6 9.b6 Rxc3 10.bxc3 axb6 
10. -+  (-3.80): 1.Qxh6 Qxh6 2.Bxf8 Kxf8 3.Rxe5 fxg2 4.Rae1 Qd2 5.R1e3 Qxb2 6.Kxg2 Qxa2 7.Re8+ Kg7 8.R3e7+ Kh6 9.Be4 Qd2 
11. -+  (-5.25): 1.Qe3 Bxe3 2.Rxe3 Rf7 3.g3 Qh3 4.Bf1 Qh5 5.Bd6 e4 6.Rxe4 Qxd5 7.Re8+ Kg7 8.Bf4 Rf6 9.a4 
12. -+  (-5.28): 1.Qc1 Bxc1 2.Raxc1 Re8 3.g3 Qh5 4.Bc4 Kg7 5.d6 b6 6.Be3 Bg4 7.Bd3 Rad8 8.Rc6 Be6 9.Rc7+ Rd7 10.Rxd7+ Bxd7 11.Rc1 
13. -+  (-7.50): 1.Bxf8 Bxd2 2.Bc5 Qg5 3.g3 Bxe1 4.Be3 Bxf2+ 5.Kxf2 Qh5 6.h4 Bf5 7.Bc4 Qg4 8.b3 b6 9.d6+ Kg7 
14. -+  (-7.74): 1.Rad1 Bxd2 2.g3 Qh3 3.Bf1 Qh6 4.Rxe5 Bf5 5.Bxf8 Kxf8 6.d6 Bc2 7.Ra1 Bc1 8.Re7 Bxb2 
15. -+  (-8.19): 1.Bb4 Bxd2 2.Bxd2 Qd4 3.Bh6 Qxd3 4.Bxf8 Kxf8 5.Rad1 Qxb5 6.b3 fxg2 7.Rxe5 Bh3 8.Rde1 
16. -+  (-8.44): 1.Qe2 fxe2 2.Bxf8 Kxf8 3.Bxe2 Bd2 4.Red1 Qd4 5.Bf3 Bf5 6.g4 Bc2 7.Rxd2 Qxd2 8.d6 Qxd6 9.Bxb7 
17. -+  (-8.56): 1.Rxe5 Bxd2 2.Rd1 Qf6 3.Bd4 Bf4 4.Re4 Qg5 5.g3 Bd6 6.Be3 Qf6 7.b3 Bh3 8.Bd4 Qg5 
18. -+  (-9.10): 1.Be4 Bxd2 2.Bxf8 Bxe1 3.Rxe1 Kxf8 4.Bxf3 Qb4 5.Rxe5 Qd2 6.g4 Qf4 7.Re3 Bxg4 8.Bg2 Rc8 
19. -+  (-9.16): 1.b6 Bxd2 2.g3 Qh3 3.Bf1 Qf5 4.bxa7 Rd8 5.b3 Qc2 6.Bc4 b5 7.Bb6 bxc4 8.Bxd8 Bxe1 9.Rxe1 Rxa7 
20. -+  (-9.30): 1.Red1 Bxd2 2.Bxf8 Kxf8 3.g3 Qh3 4.Bf1 Qh6 5.Bd3 Bh3 6.Be4 Bg2 7.h4 Rd8 8.a4 Rc8 

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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

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Crafty does, in about two seconds.

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Crafty v22.8 (2 cpus)

White(1): book off
book file disabled.
White(1): ponder off
pondering disabled.
White(1): display changes
display PV each time it changes.
White(1): display variation
display PV at end of each iteration.
White(1): display stats
display statistics at end of each search.
White(1): setboard r1b2rk1/pp5p/6pb/1PBPp3/7q/3B1p2/PP1Q1PPP/R3R1K1 w - - 0 18
White(1): st = 600
search time set to 600.00.
White(1): display

       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    8  |<R>| . |<B>| . |   |<R>|<K>| . |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    7  |<P>|<P>| . |   | . |   | . |<P>|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    6  |   | . |   | . |   | . |<P>|<B>|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    5  | . |-P-|-B-|-P-|<P>|   | . |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    4  |   | . |   | . |   | . |   |<Q>|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    3  | . |   | . |-B-| . |<P>| . |   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    2  |-P-|-P-|   |-Q-|   |-P-|-P-|-P-|
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
    1  |-R-|   | . |   |-R-|   |-K-|   |
       +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
         a   b   c   d   e   f   g   h

White(1): go
              time limit 10:00 (+0.00) (10:00)
              depth   time  score   variation (1)
starting thread 1
                8     0.08  -0.57   Qd1 fxg2 Kxg2 Bf4 Qf3 Bg4 Qe4 Qxh2+
                                    Kf1 Qh3+ Kg1 (s=2)
                8     0.16  -0.21   Re4 Bf4 Rxf4 Rxf4 gxf3 Rxf3 b6 axb6
                                    Bxb6
                8     0.19   0.93   Qb4 Rf4 g3 Qh3 Bf1 Rxb4 Bxh3 Rxb2 Bxc8
                                    Rxc8 Bxa7
                8     0.21     +1   Qc3!!
                8     0.23   0.99   Qc3 fxg2 Bxf8 Bf4 h3 Kxf8 Kxg2 Bxh3+
                                    Kg1
                8     0.26   1.22   Qc2 fxg2 Bxf8 Bf4 h3 Kxf8 Kxg2 Bxh3+
                                    Kf3
                8->   0.27   1.22   Qc2 fxg2 Bxf8 Bf4 h3 Kxf8 Kxg2 Bxh3+
                                    Kf3 (s=5)
                9     0.30     -1   Qc2
                9     0.35     -3   Qc2
                9     0.43  -0.30   Qc2 fxg2 f3 Rxf3 Be4 Rf4 Bxg2 Bf5 Qe2
                                    (s=4)
                9     0.46   0.93   Qb4 Rf4 g3 Rxb4 gxh4 Rxb2 Rxe5 Bh3
                                    (s=2)
                9->   0.51   0.93   Qb4 Rf4 g3 Rxb4 gxh4 Rxb2 Rxe5 Bh3
                                    (s=5)
               10     0.55     -1   Qb4
               10     0.57   0.51   Qb4 Rf4 g3 Qh3 Bf1 Rxb4 Bxh3 Rxb5 Bxc8
                                    Rxc8 (s=4)
               10     0.77   0.97   Qc3 fxg2 Be4 Bf4 h3 Bxh3 Bxf8 Rxf8
                                    Bxg2 Bg4
               10->   0.82   0.97   Qc3 fxg2 Be4 Bf4 h3 Bxh3 Bxf8 Rxf8
                                    Bxg2 Bg4
               11     0.98   0.65   Qc3 fxg2 Be4 Bf4 h3 Bxh3 Bxf8 Rxf8
                                    Bxg2 Bd7 b6 axb6
               11     1.36   0.82   Qb4 Rf4 Qb3 fxg2 d6+ Kh8 Qd5 Bh3 Qxb7
                                    Rff8 d7 Rfb8
               11->   1.36   0.82   Qb4 Rf4 Qb3 fxg2 d6+ Kh8 Qd5 Bh3 Qxb7
                                    Rff8 d7 Rfb8 (s=2)
               12     1.57   0.43   Qb4 Rf4 g3 Rxb4 gxh4 Rg4+ Kh1 Rxh4
                                    Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Rd4 Be4 <HT>
               12     2.28   0.88   Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 fxg2 Kxg2 Qg4+ Kf1 Qf4
                                    Kg1 Bh3 Qe2 Qg5+ Rg3
               12->   2.41   0.88   Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 fxg2 Kxg2 Qg4+ Kf1 Qf4
                                    Kg1 Bh3 Qe2 Qg5+ Rg3 (s=4)
               13     3.56   1.00   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bd7 Bxg2 Rf6
                                    d6 Rxd6 Qxe5 Rf6 Bxb7 Qxf2+ Kh1 (s=3)
               13->   4.35   1.00   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bd7 Bxg2 Rf6
                                    d6 Rxd6 Qxe5 Rf6 Bxb7 Qxf2+ Kh1
               14     5.05   0.94   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Bxg2 Bxg2
                                    Kxg2 Rf5 Rac1 Raf8 Re2 Rh5
               14->   6.94   0.94   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Bxg2 Bxg2
                                    Kxg2 Rf5 Rac1 Raf8 Re2 Rh5 (s=4)
               15     8.62   0.92   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Bxg2 Bxg2
                                    Kxg2 Rf5 Rac1 Raf8 Re2 Rh5 Qg3 (s=3)
               15->  17.06   0.92   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Bxg2 Bxg2
                                    Kxg2 Rf5 Rac1 Raf8 Re2 Rh5 Qg3 (s=3)
               16    22.24   1.21   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Qg3 Qxg3
                                    hxg3 Rac8 Rad1 Rc5 Bxg2 Bxg2 Kxg2 Rxb5
                                    (s=2)
               16->  30.23   1.21   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Bh3 Qg3 Qxg3
                                    hxg3 Rac8 Rad1 Rc5 Bxg2 Bxg2 Kxg2 Rxb5
                                    (s=2)
               17    37.81   1.31   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Rf6 Bxg2 Bd7
                                    Rad1 Bxb5 d6 Raf8 Qxe5 Qxf2+ Kh1 Bc6
                                    Bxc6 bxc6
               17->  50.32   1.31   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Rf6 Bxg2 Bd7
                                    Rad1 Bxb5 d6 Raf8 Qxe5 Qxf2+ Kh1 Bc6
                                    Bxc6 bxc6 (s=2)
               18     1:03   1.37   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Rf6 Bxg2 Bd7
                                    Rad1 Raf8 f3 Qa4 Qxe5 Qxa2 Qe7 Bxb5
                                    Qxb7 Rb6
               18->   1:35   1.37   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Be4 Rf6 Bxg2 Bd7
                                    Rad1 Raf8 f3 Qa4 Qxe5 Qxa2 Qe7 Bxb5
                                    Qxb7 Rb6 (s=3)
               19     2:24   1.56   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Bf5
                                    Bxf5 Rxf5 Kxg2 Rd8 Rad1 e4 d6 Rxb5
                                    Rxe4 Rb6 Re7 Rbxd6 Rxd6 Rxd6 Rxb7 (s=2)
               19->   3:12   1.56   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Bf5
                                    Bxf5 Rxf5 Kxg2 Rd8 Rad1 e4 d6 Rxb5
                                    Rxe4 Rb6 Re7 Rbxd6 Rxd6 Rxd6 Rxb7
               20     4:39   1.79   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Bf5
                                    Bxf5 Rxf5 Rad1 Rd8 Re4 Rd6 Kxg2 g5
                                    Ra4 a6 bxa6 bxa6
               20->   6:38   1.79   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Bf5
                                    Bxf5 Rxf5 Rad1 Rd8 Re4 Rd6 Kxg2 g5
                                    Ra4 a6 bxa6 bxa6
               21     9:06   1.76   Be3 Bxe3 Qxe3 fxg2 Qg3 Qxg3 hxg3 Bf5
                                    Rad1 Bg4 Rd2 Rac8 Be4 Kg7 Bxg2 Kf6
                                    d6 Rf7 Rd5 Be6 Rdxe5 Bxa2
              time=10:00  mat=1  n=2393678199  fh=89%  nps=4.0M
terminating SMP processes.
White(1): Be3 
              time used:  10:00
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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by Spock »

Quad Shredder 11 to depth 25 stuck with Qb4
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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

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Analysis from Q:\epd\sub\be3.epd   
1/22/2009 7:47:38 PM Level: 1200 Seconds
Analyzing engine: Rybka


1) Qb4; Be3; c0 "Is Be3 
    Searching move: Qd2-b4, Bc5-e3, Bc5-e3
    Best move (Rybka
): Qd2-b4
    identical moves! Found in: 00:00
      2	00:00	         791	10.252	+1.37	Qd2c3
      3	00:00	         812	10.525	+1.37	Qd2c3
      4+	00:00	         834	10.810	+1.57	Qd2c3
      4	00:00	       1.475	19.118	+1.69	Qd2c3
      5	00:00	      20.368	110.940	+0.76	Qd2c2 f3xg2 Bd3xg6
      6	00:00	      38.164	146.917	+0.59	Bc5e3 Bh6xe3 Re1xe3 f3xg2 Re3xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e4
      7	00:00	      52.682	150.268	+0.55	Bc5e3 Bh6xe3 Re1xe3 f3xg2 Bd3e4 Bc8h3 d5d6 Rf8f6
      8	00:00	      84.822	158.789	+0.62	Bc5e3 Bh6xe3 Re1xe3 f3xg2 Bd3e4 Bc8f5 Be4xg2 Ra8c8 d5d6 Rc8c2
      8+	00:00	     122.023	181.879	+0.75	Qd2b4
      8+	00:00	     124.722	181.671	+0.95	Qd2b4
      8	00:01	     142.498	186.834	+0.90	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3
      9	00:01	     305.030	202.168	+0.72	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 f3xg2 Qc3xe5 Bc8f5 Ra1d1 Bf5d7 d5d6 Ra8f8 Qe5d5+
     10+	00:02	     397.706	197.694	+0.92	Qd2b4
     10+	00:03	     532.871	194.254	+1.12	Qd2b4
     10	00:05	     938.358	199.311	+1.13	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 f3xg2 Qc3xe5 Bc8f5 Ra1d1 Ra8f8 Bd3xf5 Rf8xf5 Qe5e7 Rf5f6 Qe7xb7 Bh6f8 Re1e8
     11	00:05	   1.065.045	198.580	+1.13	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 f3xg2 Qc3xe5 Bc8f5 Ra1d1 Ra8f8 Bd3xf5 Rf8xf5 Qe5e7 Rf5f6 Qe7xb7 Bh6f8 Re1e8
     12	00:10	   2.061.406	204.701	+1.15	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 Bh6g7 g2g3 Qh4h5 Ra1c1 Rf4f7 Re1e4 b7b6 Bc5e3 Qh5h3
     13	00:13	   2.727.882	209.177	+1.22	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 Bh6g7 g2g3 Qh4h5 Ra1c1 Rf4f7 Bd3c4 Qh5h3 Bc4f1 Qh3h5 Qc3b4 Bc8d7 Bc5e3 Bg7f8
     14	00:19	   3.889.294	210.632	+1.22	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4c3 Bh6g7 g2g3 Qh4h5 Ra1c1 Rf4f7 Bd3c4 Qh5h3 Bc4f1 Qh3h5 Qc3b4 Bc8d7 Bc5e3 Bg7f8
     15	00:34	   7.045.174	211.258	+1.40	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Bc5e3 Rf4h4 Ra1c1 e5e4 Be3d2 Bc8d7
     16	01:09	  14.321.304	211.867	+1.47	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Ra1c1 Qf5f7 Bc5xa7 Bg7f8 a2a3 Bc8f5 Qb3e3 Rf4h4
     17	03:02	  38.061.255	213.461	+1.57	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Ra1c1 e5e4 f2f3 Qf5e5 f3xe4 b7b6 Bc5f2 Rf4f7 Rc1c4 Qe5h5 Rc4a4
     18	03:17	  40.906.356	212.462	+1.57	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Ra1c1 e5e4 f2f3 Qf5e5 f3xe4 b7b6 Bc5f2 Rf4f7 Rc1c4 Qe5h5 Rc4a4
     19	08:46	 109.969.788	214.172	+1.60	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Ra1c1 Bg7f6 Bc5e3 Rf4h4 Rc1c7 e5e4 Re1c1 Bf6d8 Rc7c5 Bc8d7 d5d6+ Qf5f7 Qb3xf7+ Kg8xf7 Rc5e5 Bd7f5 Be3d4
   1/22/2009 8:07:51 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:20:00, Rated time: 00:00

1 of 1 matching moves
1/22/2009 8:07:52 PM, Total time: 12:20:14 AM
Rated time: 00:00 = 0 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\epd\sub\be3.epd   
1/22/2009 7:47:38 PM Level: Blitz 5/10
Analyzing engine: Naum

1) Qb4; Be3; c0 "Is Be3 
    Searching move: Qd2-b4, Bc5-e3, Bc5-e3
    Best move (Naum): Qd2-b4
    identical moves! Found in: 00:00
     2/10	00:00	       1.098	1.098.000	+1.55	Qd2c3 Bc8d7
     3/11	00:00	       1.411	1.411.000	+1.55	Qd2c3 Bc8d7 Bc5xf8
     4/22	00:00	       5.228	5.228.000	+1.57	Qd2c3 f3xg2 Bc5xf8 Bh6xf8
     5/20	00:00	       9.650	643.333	+1.57	Qd2c3 f3xg2 Bc5xf8 Bh6xf8 Bd3e4
     6/17	00:00	      27.088	873.806	+1.17	Qd2c2 Qh4g4 g2g3 Qg4h3 Bd3f1
     7/24	00:00	     113.950	1.837.903	+0.24	Qd2c2 f3xg2 Bd3xg6 h7xg6 Qc2xg6+ Bh6g7 Bc5xf8
     7/24	00:00	     119.564	1.928.451	+0.38	Re1e4 Bh6f4 Re4xf4 Rf8xf4 g2g3 Rf4g4 Bd3e4
     8/17	00:00	     125.769	2.028.532	+0.47	Re1e4 Bh6f4 Re4xf4 Rf8xf4 g2g3 Rf4g4 Bd3e4 Rg4xg3+
     9/28	00:00	     245.456	2.251.889	+0.41	Re1e4 Bh6f4 Re4xf4 Qh4xf4 Qd2xf4 Rf8xf4 g2g3 Rf4f7 Bd3c4
    10/26	00:00	     359.589	2.568.492	+0.55	Re1e4 Bh6f4 Re4xf4 Qh4xf4 Qd2xf4 Rf8xf4 g2g3 Rf4f6 Ra1e1 Bc8f5
    10/29	00:00	     748.453	2.824.350	+0.88	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e7 Ra8c8
    11/36	00:00	   1.644.811	3.012.474	+1.03	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Ra1e1 Ra8f8 Re5e4
    12/36	00:01	   3.151.294	3.157.609	+1.32	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Ra1e1 Ra8f8 Re5e4 Bh6g7
    13/45	00:02	   6.391.131	3.332.185	+1.28	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Bh6g7 Re5e4 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4
    14/38	00:02	   7.651.092	3.430.982	+1.28	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Bh6g7 Re5e4 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4g5
    15/28	00:02	   8.947.442	3.497.827	+1.28	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Bh6g7 Re5e4 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4g5 Bc5d4
    16/52	00:08	  30.642.203	3.770.419	+1.49	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e4 Bh6g7 Qb3d5 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4g5 Bc5d4 Ra8f8
    17/43	00:11	  45.772.939	3.876.106	+1.49	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e4 Bh6g7 Qb3d5 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4g5 Bc5d4 Ra8f8 Ra1d1
    18/52	00:29	 119.383.799	4.004.689	+1.52	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 Ra1c1 Rf4f7 Rc1c4 Qg4f5 Bc5e3 Qf5h5 Be3xa7 Bc8g4 Qb3e3 Bg7h6
    19/55	01:26	 352.818.299	4.098.725	+1.57	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e4 Bh6g7 Qb3d5 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4f6 Qe4xb7 Ra8c8 d6d7 Bh3xd7 Qb7xd7
    20/42	01:37	 402.336.862	4.121.923	+1.57	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e4 Bh6g7 Qb3d5 Rf4xe4 Qd5xe4 Qh4f6 Qe4xb7 Ra8c8 d6d7 Bh3xd7 Qb7xd7 Rc8xc5
    21/62	03:36	 904.291.747	4.188.707	+1.61	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 g2g3 Bh6g7 Ra1c1 Bc8d7 Bd3c4 b7b6 Bc5e7 Kg8h8 d5d6 Ra8e8 a2a4 Rf4d4 Bc4f7
    22/51	04:58	1.267.974.212	4.247.293	+1.64	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 g2g3 Bh6g7 Ra1c1 Bc8d7 Bd3c4 b7b6 Bc5e7 Kg8h8 d5d6 Ra8e8 a2a4 Rf4d4 h2h3 Qg4f5 Bc4f7 Re8c8 Rc1xc8+ Bd7xc8
    23/54	08:14	2.130.399.080	4.309.373	+1.58	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 g2g3 Bh6g7 Re1e3 Bc8d7 Bd3f1 Rf4f7 Ra1e1 a7a5 b5xa6/ep b7xa6 Bc5d6 Qg4f5 Bd6xe5 Bg7h6 Be5f4 Bh6xf4 Re3xf3 Ra8b8
    24/62	19:30	5.042.412,982	4.307.803	+1.60	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 Qh4g4 Bd3f1 f3xg2 Bf1xg2 Bh6g7 h2h3 Qg4f5 Ra1c1 Bg7f6 Bc5e3 Rf4h4 Rc1c7 e5e4 Re1c1 b7b6 Qb3c4 Bc8d7 d5d6+ Bd7e6 Qc4c6 Ra8f8
   1/22/2009 8:28:04 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:20:00, Rated time: 00:00

1 of 1 matching moves
1/22/2009 8:28:04 PM, Total time: 12:40:26 AM
Rated time: 00:00 = 0 Seconds

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Analysis from Q:\epd\sub\be3.epd   
1/22/2009 7:47:38 PM Level: Blitz 5/10
Analyzing engine: Zappa

1) Qb4; Be3; c0 "Is Be3 
    Searching move: Qd2-b4, Bc5-e3, Bc5-e3
    Best move (Zappa): Bc5-e3
    identical moves! Found in: 00:00
     8/28	00:00	     278.471	848.997	+0.69	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Bc8h3 Qd5xb7
     8/28	00:00	     350.449	832.420	+0.69	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Bc8h3 Qd5xb7
     9/36	00:00	     544.497	811.471	+0.94	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8d7 Re5e7 Qh4g4 Qb3d5
     9/36	00:01	     709.979	827.481	+0.94	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8d7 Re5e7 Qh4g4 Qb3d5
    10/36	00:01	     910.567	821.811	+0.85	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 b7b6 Qb3c3+ Rf4f6
    10/36	00:01	   1.294.680	829.923	+0.85	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 b7b6 Qb3c3+ Rf4f6
    11/36	00:02	   1.759.029	823.130	+0.85	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 b7b6 Qb3c3+ Rf4f6
    11/36	00:03	   2.429.627	832.920	+0.85	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 b7b6 Qb3c3+ Rf4f6
    12/41	00:05	   3.973.848	821.722	+0.91	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Ra8c8 Qb3c3+ Kh8g8 Ra1e1 b7b6
    12/41	00:06	   5.321.226	834.048	+0.91	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Ra8c8 Qb3c3+ Kh8g8 Ra1e1 b7b6
    13/43	00:09	   8.018.903	822.452	+0.79	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 Re7xb7 Ra8f8 Rb7xa7 Rf4xf2 Bc5xf8 Kg8xf8
    13/43	00:14	  11.848.407	827.345	+0.79	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 Re7xb7 Ra8f8 Rb7xa7 Rf4xf2 Bc5xf8 Kg8xf8
    14/48	00:23	  18.612.166	811.624	+0.86	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Ra8f8 Qd5xb7 Bg7d4 Bc5xd4+ Rf4xd4
    14/48	00:32	  25.873.930	813.032	+0.86	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Qb3d5 Ra8f8 Qd5xb7 Bg7d4 Bc5xd4+ Rf4xd4
    15/48	00:49	  39.741.229	799.848	+0.87	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Ra8d8 Ra1d1 b7b6 Bc5e3 Rf4f6
    15/48	01:08	  54.710.059	806.220	+0.87	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Ra8d8 Ra1d1 b7b6 Bc5e3 Rf4f6
    16/52	01:44	  82.634.481	796.193	+0.77	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Ra8c8 Bc5xa7 Bg7f8 Re7xb7 Bf8xd6 Be2f3
    16/52	03:08	 148.642.859	789.423	+0.77	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Ra8c8 Bc5xa7 Bg7f8 Re7xb7 Bf8xd6
    17/54	05:00	 233.352.652	777.060	+0.88	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Rf4f5 Ra1c1 Ra8f8 Qb3g3 Qh4xg3 h2xg3 Rf5d5
    17/54	06:06	 287.456.548	784.111	+0.88	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 Re5e7 Bh6g7 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Bd3e2 Rf4f5 Ra1c1 Ra8f8 Qb3g3 Qh4xg3 h2xg3 Rf5d5
    18/56	09:54	 459.880.018	774.344	+0.79	Qd2b4 Rf8f4 Qb4b3 f3xg2 Re1xe5 Bc8h3 d5d6+ Kg8h8 Re5e4 Bh6g7 Qb3d5 Ra8f8 Qd5xb7 Bg7xb2 Qb7e7 Qh4h6 Re4xf4 Qh6xf4 Ra1b1
    18/56	13:06	 611.852.410	778.149	+0.80	Bc5e3
    18/56	16:04	 755.426.726	783.796	+0.96	Bc5e3 Bh6xe3 Qd2xe3 f3xg2 Qe3g3 Qh4xg3 h2xg3 Bc8f5 Bd3xf5 Rf8xf5 Ra1d1 Ra8d8 Re1e4 Rd8d6 g3g4 Rf5f4 Re4xf4 e5xf4 Kg1xg2
    18/56	18:16	 861.285.834	785.822	+0.96	Bc5e3 Bh6xe3 Qd2xe3 f3xg2 Qe3g3 Qh4xg3 h2xg3 Bc8f5 Bd3xf5 Rf8xf5 Ra1d1 Ra8d8 Re1e4 Rd8d6 g3g4 Rf5f4 Re4xf4 e5xf4 Kg1xg2
   1/22/2009 8:48:22 PM, Time for this analysis: 00:20:00, Rated time: 00:00

1 of 1 matching moves
1/22/2009 8:48:23 PM, Total time: 1:00:45 AM
Rated time: 00:00 = 0 Seconds
Spock

Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by Spock »

Yes, Quad Naum 4 also goes for Qb4

11/33 0:00 +1.24 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re7 Bg7 6.d7 (1.777.436) 2344
12/36 0:01 +1.03 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.Rae1 Raf8 5.d6+ Kh8 6.R5e4 Bg7 (2.816.260) 2459
13/36 0:01 +1.31 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.Rae1 Raf8 5.d6+ Kh8 6.R5e4 Bg7 7.Rxf4 (4.389.099) 2565
14/40 0:02 +1.12 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.Rae1 Raf8 5.d6+ Kh8 6.R5e4 Bg7 7.Rxf4 Qxf4 (7.996.669) 2729
15/56 0:14 +1.55 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re4 Bg7 6.Qd5 Rxe4 7.Qxe4 Qf6 8.Qxb7 (41.460.495) 2900
16/32 0:14 +1.55 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re4 Bg7 6.Qd5 Rxe4 7.Qxe4 Qf6 8.Qxb7 Rg8 (43.250.793) 2907
17/53 0:23 +1.56 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re4 Raf8 6.Rxf4 Qxf4 7.Bxg6 Bd7 8.Bc2 Bg7 9.Rd1 (70.028.343) 2971
18/56 0:48 +1.60 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bf1 Be6 9.Qd3 Bf8 (146.661.233) 3041
19/41 0:58 +1.60 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bf1 Be6 9.Qd3 Bf8 10.Rc7 (181.934.826) 3093
20/48 1:17 +1.60 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bf1 Be6 9.Qd3 Bf8 10.Rc7 Rd8 (245.455.786) 3169
21/50 1:56 +1.60 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bf1 Be6 9.Qd3 Bf8 10.Rc7 Rd8 11.h3 (375.227.410) 3223
22/55 4:59 +1.59 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bd3 Rb4 9.Qd5 Rb8 10.b3 e4 11.Bc4 Qh3 (985.534.825) 3288
23/59 13:18 +1.61 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bd3 Ra4 9.Qd5 Rg8 10.Bc4 Rf8 11.a3 e4 12.Red1 (2.690.453.211) 3368
24/52 17:25 +1.61 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 Qg4 3.g3 Bg7 4.Rac1 Bd7 5.Bc4 b6 6.d6+ Kh8 7.Be3 Re4 8.Bd3 Ra4 9.Qd5 Rg8 (3.545.370.162) 3391 TB:1
25/62 124:44 +1.84 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re4 Bg7 6.Rae1 Raf8 7.Qc4 Rxe4 8.Qxe4 Qxe4 9.Bxe4 b6 10.Bxg2 Bd7 11.Re7 Bxb5 12.Be3 Rd8 13.a4 (25.241.657.380) 3372 TB:61
26/62 182:45 +1.84 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qb3 fxg2 3.Rxe5 Bh3 4.d6+ Kh8 5.Re4 Bg7 6.Rae1 Raf8 7.Qc4 Rxe4 8.Qxe4 Qxe4 9.Bxe4 b6 10.Bxg2 Bd7 11.Re7 Bxb5 12.Be3 Rd8 13.a4 Bd7 (37.104.194.510) 3383 TB:113
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Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by govert »

Is there any human analysis available, explaining why Be3 is better?
Spock

Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by Spock »

Quad Hiarcs 12.1 finds it very quickly

9/37 0:00 +0.22 1.Qb4 Rf4 2.Qc3 fxg2 3.Qxe5 Bd7 4.Qe7 Qg4 (519.951) 909
9/37 0:00 +0.23 1.Be3 (536.822) 909
9/37 0:00 +0.32 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Be4 Bh3 4.Bxg2 Bxg2 5.Kxg2 Qg4+ 6.Qg3 Qd4 7.Rad1 Qxb2 8.a4 Rae8 (765.004) 1023
10/37 0:01 +0.57++ 1.Be3 (1.343.698) 1108
10/37 0:01 +0.57 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Be4 Bh3 4.d6 Rf6 (1.748.165) 1112
11/37 0:02 +0.57 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Be4 Bh3 4.d6 Rf6 5.Bxb7 Raf8 6.Bd5+ Kh8 7.Re2 Rxd6 8.Qxe5+ Rdf6 9.Qg3 (3.008.749) 1157
12/37 0:05 +0.80 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Be4 Rf6 4.Qg3 Qxg3 5.fxg3 (6.286.672) 1222
13/38 0:16 +1.03 1.Be3 Bg7 2.g3 (20.720.179) 1257
14/38 0:26 +1.04 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 fxg2 3.Qg3 (33.164.173) 1262
15/38 1:10 +1.23 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 Bf5 3.Qxf3 Rad8 4.Bxf5 Rxf5 5.Qe3 (88.741.402) 1267
16/42 1:45 +1.22 1.Be3 Bxe3 2.Qxe3 Bf5 3.Qxf3 Rad8 4.Bxf5 Rxf5 5.Qe2 Rxd5 6.Red1 Rd4 7.f3 Qf4 8.Rac1 Rf7 9.Rc8+ Kg7 10.Re1 (133.234.143) 1268


Of course, we need to see if it sticks with it by letting it run longer
Spock

Re: Any engine finds Be3! in this position?

Post by Spock »

That's a very good question - with some of these "puzzles" it isn't clear that best move suggested is the "best move" by a clear margin

If the two top engines in the world go for Qb4, you have to question it.