Jeroen Noomens Opening Book for Aquarium

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Jeroen Noomens Opening Book for Aquarium.

The Rybka Aquarium book was prepared by Jeroen Noomen, a Rybka team member who is responsible for Rybka’s opening book in its official competitions, including the World Computer Chess Championship which has been won by Rybka for two years running. Jeroen is a leading expert on opening theory, and his imaginative opening innovations have secured Rybka many critical wins. His research methods and analysis tools ensure that his opening books are of great interest to all chessplayers, from the club player to the strongest grandmasters.

http://chessok.com/?p=21485#more-21485

[Henrik Dinesen]

Yup, Jeroen makes some super books.

BTW Ted, seems you're getting bigger and bigger, judging from your AV

Best,
Henrik

[Dann Corbit]

Jeroen Noomens Opening Book for Aquarium.

The Rybka Aquarium book was prepared by Jeroen Noomen, a Rybka team member who is responsible for Rybka’s opening book in its official competitions, including the World Computer Chess Championship which has been won by Rybka for two years running. Jeroen is a leading expert on opening theory, and his imaginative opening innovations have secured Rybka many critical wins. His research methods and analysis tools ensure that his opening books are of great interest to all chessplayers, from the club player to the strongest grandmasters.

http://chessok.com/?p=21485#more-21485

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

[AdminX]

Jeroen Noomens Opening Book for Aquarium.

The Rybka Aquarium book was prepared by Jeroen Noomen, a Rybka team member who is responsible for Rybka’s opening book in its official competitions, including the World Computer Chess Championship which has been won by Rybka for two years running. Jeroen is a leading expert on opening theory, and his imaginative opening innovations have secured Rybka many critical wins. His research methods and analysis tools ensure that his opening books are of great interest to all chessplayers, from the club player to the strongest grandmasters.

http://chessok.com/?p=21485#more-21485

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I like the new ibooks concept that they have added to the new version of Aquarium, but best of all is the talk I hear that Convekta plans on making some kind of uci adapter that plays book moves from any aquarium book and switches to the engine if the book is over, this would allow using the book under any GUI for engine play.

[Marc Lacrosse]

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I cannot agree Dann.

This is just a new closed proprietary format.
This is precisely why I intend to stick to the PG book format.

Moreover aquarium's interface is one of the most unfriendly ones i ever bought while editing PG books is now a breeze with new SCID versions.

IMHO we should build on Polyglot and add new features.

Marc

[Dann Corbit]

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I cannot agree Dann.

This is just a new closed proprietary format.
This is precisely why I intend to stick to the PG book format.

Moreover aquarium's interface is one of the most unfriendly ones i ever bought while editing PG books is now a breeze with new SCID versions.

IMHO we should build on Polyglot and add new features.

Marc

Polyglot books cannot possibly contain the information contained in an Aquarium book (at least not with the current polyglot format). I have made suggestions that would allow statistical accumulation and nags etc., but nobody seems interested to add them, and I use fastdb {for personal books} anyway so I won't spend time to fix it.

[Henrik Dinesen]

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I cannot agree Dann.

This is just a new closed proprietary format.
This is precisely why I intend to stick to the PG book format.

Moreover aquarium's interface is one of the most unfriendly ones i ever bought while editing PG books is now a breeze with new SCID versions.

IMHO we should build on Polyglot and add new features.

Marc

Marc,

The Aquarium has been subject to many kinds of critisisms, even on the beta-stage. and I agree; it's different, very different, but A) It's still new, and B) The main idea is to develope a different and stronger tool for chess-analysis and training.

I admit, I enjoy the thought of a common format for books too, and IMHO Convekta is the ones that are by far in the right direction. The implemention of comments for instance, is some many has awaited for years.
I'm used to ctg from CB, and I like it. But clearly it misses alot of important things. For an enginebook, it's enough with the markings, add priority analysis etc., but for the user verbal comments makes more than sense. A good ctg book might be ever so strong and well done, but if you want to study chess you're left with "! ? !! ??", some numbers in collons, gren, red and black types. Clearly insufficient for serious a study.

Now, while you blame the GUI (Aquarium), I can't blame you for it. Just like traditional Chessbase users has trouble with ChessAssistant. Been there
Yesterday I upgraded my deframentaion program, 3 versions old, and I flet like I was going from Chessbase to ChessOk/Convekta; you should have been here, it was like a comedy

Point is: Don't let "new" scare, and if you have complains, address them where the belong, the right forum

[AdminX]

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I cannot agree Dann.

This is just a new closed proprietary format.
This is precisely why I intend to stick to the PG book format.

Moreover aquarium's interface is one of the most unfriendly ones i ever bought while editing PG books is now a breeze with new SCID versions.

IMHO we should build on Polyglot and add new features.

Marc

Marc,

The Aquarium has been subject to many kinds of critisisms, even on the beta-stage. and I agree; it's different, very different, but A) It's still new, and B) The main idea is to develope a different and stronger tool for chess-analysis and training.

I admit, I enjoy the thought of a common format for books too, and IMHO Convekta is the ones that are by far in the right direction. The implemention of comments for instance, is some many has awaited for years.
I'm used to ctg from CB, and I like it. But clearly it misses alot of important things. For an enginebook, it's enough with the markings, add priority analysis etc., but for the user verbal comments makes more than sense. A good ctg book might be ever so strong and well done, but if you want to study chess you're left with "! ? !! ??", some numbers in collons, gren, red and black types. Clearly insufficient for serious a study.

Now, while you blame the GUI (Aquarium), I can't blame you for it. Just like traditional Chessbase users has trouble with ChessAssistant. Been there
Yesterday I upgraded my deframentaion program, 3 versions old, and I flet like I was going from Chessbase to ChessOk/Convekta; you should have been here, it was like a comedy

Point is: Don't let "new" scare, and if you have complains, address them where the belong, the right forum

If nothing else I would like to add that it is nice to see some progress being made on the GUI feature side. IDeA, Monte Carlo, and i-Books are such features and of course there is still room for more improvements such as game annotations.

[Edmund]

Polyglot books cannot possibly contain the information contained in an Aquarium book (at least not with the current polyglot format). I have made suggestions that would allow statistical accumulation and nags etc., but nobody seems interested to add them, and I use fastdb {for personal books} anyway so I won't spend time to fix it.

It's always the question, what you want to use the book for. For people who are not interested in the statistical data, its just a waste of space.

The minimalistic approach to safe one opening book entry:
8 byte to encode the position + 1 Byte for the Move + 1 Byte for the Weight of the Move = 10 Byte

Polyglot takes it one step further and addes fields like the learning value (hardly ever used)

But if you want to add statistical Data: (some estimates)
position: 8byte,
move: 1byte,
value of the position - depending on accuracy: 2-4bytes,
user correction to the value: 1-2bytes,
comment to the position: 1-2bytes,
learning value: 1 byte,
number of wins: 4-6bytes,
number of draws: 4-6bytes,
number of losses: 4-6bytes,
elo of the best player that played the move: 2byte,
average elo of people playing the move: 2byte
... the list can be expanded as much as one likes

With these estimates one entry in the opening book would consume between 30 and 40 bytes.

I can't imagine the values to be easily compressable, so the opening book with statistical data would take up to 4 times more space.

I would be happy with a solution, where the book-format, consists out of 2 files. one with the simple data and one with the statistical data, but so that these are not dependend on each other.

[Henrik Dinesen]

It's a happy day. I don't like using chessbase books, because I don't like using chessbase. To finally have an Aquarium format book is just what I have been waiting for.

I cannot agree Dann.

This is just a new closed proprietary format.
This is precisely why I intend to stick to the PG book format.

Moreover aquarium's interface is one of the most unfriendly ones i ever bought while editing PG books is now a breeze with new SCID versions.

IMHO we should build on Polyglot and add new features.

Marc

Marc,

The Aquarium has been subject to many kinds of critisisms, even on the beta-stage. and I agree; it's different, very different, but A) It's still new, and B) The main idea is to develope a different and stronger tool for chess-analysis and training.

I admit, I enjoy the thought of a common format for books too, and IMHO Convekta is the ones that are by far in the right direction. The implemention of comments for instance, is some many has awaited for years.
I'm used to ctg from CB, and I like it. But clearly it misses alot of important things. For an enginebook, it's enough with the markings, add priority analysis etc., but for the user verbal comments makes more than sense. A good ctg book might be ever so strong and well done, but if you want to study chess you're left with "! ? !! ??", some numbers in collons, gren, red and black types. Clearly insufficient for serious a study.

Now, while you blame the GUI (Aquarium), I can't blame you for it. Just like traditional Chessbase users has trouble with ChessAssistant. Been there
Yesterday I upgraded my deframentaion program, 3 versions old, and I flet like I was going from Chessbase to ChessOk/Convekta; you should have been here, it was like a comedy

Point is: Don't let "new" scare, and if you have complains, address them where the belong, the right forum

If nothing else I would like to add that it is nice to see some progress being made on the GUI feature side. IDeA, Monte Carlo, and i-Books are such features and of course there is still room for more improvements such as game annotations.

Yes. Huge progress. And a lot more to come for sure. In time we'll have tools for chess, like they've had gardening and mechanics for years. Chessbase didn't deliver, so others will.