Plague: a "new" chess engine based on Smaug

[mcostalba]

http://www.glaurungchess.com/glaurung22.zip

We think our Plague plays better than Smaug.



Christopher

I challange you and your silly co-threaders to take a program like Glaurung (but I can say also Toga) and increase it of 20 ELO points.

You ARE not able to do it, otherwise you will be more respectful of the work of other people because you knew what it means.

In my opinion Smaug it is very interesting because the evaluation tweaks are GOOD.

Can you understund what it means GOOD?

GOOD it means that someone spent weeks with testing and frustating hard work on very little details just to try to increase an already very high level engine.

He spent these week not because of glory or proud (otherwise he put his name on a new engine), not beauce he wants to show off he his good, otherwise he doesn't publish the patches along with the sources to show exactly only the work that he as done without messing up with the rest of the code.

He spent this time just because of passion on these chess engine's software, and he published the results of really hard work so that everybody can benefit from these.

I think you really don't understuand what you are laughing about. You are like the bully at high school that laugh of guys just because diffrent from them.

[Christopher Conkie]

http://www.glaurungchess.com/glaurung22.zip

We think our Plague plays better than Smaug.



Christopher

I challange you and your silly co-threaders to take a program like Glaurung (but I can say also Toga) and increase it of 20 ELO points.

You would be surprised, but why would I want to do that? I can't speak for the silly author of Petir, the silly author of Thinker or the silly co-author of Polyglot.

You ARE not able to do it, otherwise you will be more respectful of the work of other people because you knew what it means.

You have no idea what I am able to do.

In my opinion Smaug it is very interesting because the evaluation tweaks are GOOD

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That is your opinion. However tests made so far do not back up your opinion. Tests made so far show that Smaug is worse. That is not to say that it might play interesting chess, but it is worse.

Can you understund what it means GOOD?

Yes, Glaurung is good, Smaug is worse (i.e. not as good).

GOOD it means that someone spent weeks with testing and frustating hard work on very little details just to try to increase an already very high level engine.

Glaurung has been worked on for years......and Smaug (worked on for weeks or less) is worse. Fact.

He spent these week not because of glory or proud (otherwise he put his name on a new engine),

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If you say so.........

not beauce he wants to show off he his good, otherwise he doesn't publish the patches along with the sources to show exactly only the work that he as done without messing up with the rest of the code.

You will therefore be able to explain why Glaurung needs to be renamed Smaug. By his own admission he messed it up. It says it in the code, however I take that more as a joke rather than anything serious.

He spent this time just because of passion on these chess engine's software, and he published the results of really hard work so that everybody can benefit from these.

He changed some numbers.....ok?

I think you really don't understuand what you are laughing about. You are like the bully at high school that laugh of guys just because diffrent from them.

We are laughing about the fact that a whole engine needs renamed because he changed a few numbers.

We are also laughing about the fact that you seem to think that in the same way that he made Smaug, that I cannot change those numbers back to what I want and call it.......Plague.

Plague IS better than Smaug. We think it has the same strength as Glaurung.



Christopher

[F. Bluemers]

its waiting,just for you...:
http://simontacchi.sourceforge.net/index.html

If you feel you can contribute to the Simontacchi effort, let me know. Simontacchi is completely hosted and developed from the SourceForge site, so additional developers are welcome.

Best
Fonzy

[gerold]

its waiting,just for you...:
http://simontacchi.sourceforge.net/index.html

If you feel you can contribute to the Simontacchi effort, let me know. Simontacchi is completely hosted and developed from the SourceForge site, so additional developers are welcome.

Best
Fonzy

Just downloaded it. What an engine. Gee! Thanks!!
Be on playchess tonight.

Best

Gerold.

[F. Bluemers]

its waiting,just for you...:
http://simontacchi.sourceforge.net/index.html

If you feel you can contribute to the Simontacchi effort, let me know. Simontacchi is completely hosted and developed from the SourceForge site, so additional developers are welcome.

Best
Fonzy

Just downloaded it. What an engine. Gee! Thanks!!
Be on playchess tonight.

Best

Gerold.

what
If you think its not good enough,why not "improve" it yourselve?
If its that weak,its easy, no ?

[ilari]

You will therefore be able to explain why Glaurung needs to be renamed Smaug.

If you take a GPL'd program, and modify and redistribute it, you almost have to give it a new name, no matter how small the chages are. And if the name is trademarked, it's actually illegal not to rename it. The Mozilla vs. Debian case is a nice example of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_so ... rebranding

[Christopher Conkie]

You will therefore be able to explain why Glaurung needs to be renamed Smaug.

If you take a GPL'd program, and modify and redistribute it, you almost have to give it a new name, no matter how small the chages are. And if the name is trademarked, it's actually illegal not to rename it. The Mozilla vs. Debian case is a nice example of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_so ... rebranding

That is exactly what we did with Plague. We changed Smaug and renamed it. The fact that Plague is exactly the same as Glaurung is both coincidental and irrelevant.

Everyone should be very happy.

Not only that, we have improved Smaug (by 12 elo).



Christopher

[ilari]

That is exactly what we did with Plague. We changed Smaug and renamed it. The fact that Plague is exactly the same as Glaurung is both coincidental and irrelevant.

I appreciate the sarcasm and I get your point. I just wanted to point out why the name should be changed, unless of course the patches manage to go upstream all the way to Tord and Glaurung.

I'm sorry about being serious in such a totally hilarious thread as this one.

[Peter Aloysius]

http://www.glaurungchess.com/glaurung22.zip

We think our Plague plays better than Smaug.



Christopher

I challange you and your silly co-threaders to take a program like Glaurung (but I can say also Toga) and increase it of 20 ELO points.

You ARE not able to do it, otherwise you will be more respectful of the work of other people because you knew what it means.

In my opinion Smaug it is very interesting because the evaluation tweaks are GOOD.

Can you understund what it means GOOD?

GOOD it means that someone spent weeks with testing and frustating hard work on very little details just to try to increase an already very high level engine.

He spent these week not because of glory or proud (otherwise he put his name on a new engine), not beauce he wants to show off he his good, otherwise he doesn't publish the patches along with the sources to show exactly only the work that he as done without messing up with the rest of the code.

He spent this time just because of passion on these chess engine's software, and he published the results of really hard work so that everybody can benefit from these.

I think you really don't understuand what you are laughing about. You are like the bully at high school that laugh of guys just because diffrent from them.

I challenge you to create a 2800+ engine by your own original work from the scratch. Can you do that?

You are not able to do it, otherwise you will be more respectfull of the work of other people.

A programmer have spend years to create a 2800+ engine, and now someone else feel he is good just because he spend a few weeks to changes some values and improve 20 points ???????

[CThinker]

I want Tord to compose an anthem for the engine on his fiddle.

My only comment to this discussion is:

It isn't a fiddle: It's a viola.


Tord

viola [vie-ol-la]
Noun
a variety of pansy [Latin: violet]

I fiddle you not.......



Anyway, I see nothing wrong with improving Smaug.

Plague is as good as Glaurung. We think they are about equal......in fact we think you maybe copied us......

Tut tut.......

Christopher

I have a feeling that the new Plague is a real breakthrough. With a profiled build from Jim, it will definitely surpass Smaug (and even Glaurung) in the rating lists.

I can see where you are going with this. What we need is fair competition. Any advantage at our disposal should be used to it's fullest effect.

Good job on the very fast turnaround.

Thanks we aim to please. We think that if we treat people right whilst we are free, they will support us when we go commercial. It's nice to be nice.

Since Plague is a "derivative" work (and not a clone),

Clone? Who said that? Let me at 'em....

WCCC should allow that to compete (unless WCCC rules are defective, which is never the case).

We are thinking about GridPlague. It's experimental but don't tell anyone I said that.....

I also have a feeling that you are holding off on your 16-core Plague.

The 16-core is a little way off to be fair, but it should be finished by tomorrow if that's not too soon?

CCT allows that, but the registration dealine has passed.

Damn, I knew there was something we forgot. Oh well......I suppose we could try again next year.

You have inspired me to get in to the "derivatives" work.

Oh good, we really need some competition.

I have quick plans on an even newer engine based on Plague.

Can i recommend the name "Bubonic"? We struggled with our name for oh...at least 3 minutes. Naming things is a difficult process. Maybe a simpler suggestion like "Black Death" would be better as some may not know what Bubonic actually means.

I estimate it will be 12 points weaker than Plague.

We can recommend some places to "help". We spent almost 5 whole minutes looking here and as you can see, our time is limited.

Btw, any plans on an iPhone version of Plague?

Well it's funny you should say that as our "team of developers" have been very busy. Even though there was no iPhone version of Smaug we felt that we knew how to make their unreleased version at least 12 elo better.

We hope you like the fruits (there is a pun in here somewhere) of our hard labour.

You can download our new Plague here.

It also supports the iPod Touch whatever that is, as I don't have one.

We are also thinking about a Mac version because I am Scottish.......



Christopher

PS Thanks for playing Lance and good luck in CCT.

Our "new" engine, based on Plague, is now officially named "iarism".

We claim that Iarism is 20 points stronger than Plague. All the eval tweaking is responsible for that. But some tests show that Iarism is 12 points weaker than Plague.

And like Plague, Iarism is under GPL. There are no plans for an iPhone version yet.