CM11 Teams Challenge II

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Oooops,Cock is chasing me in the team standings

[Graham Banks]

CM11 TEAMS CHALLENGE II

Intel Q6600 Quad Core
Fritz 11 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-16.ctg book (with 12 move limit)
40 moves in 32 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 58 rounds

The settings for each of the teams were chosen by the authors themselves.

Standings after Round 35

20.5 - Lacetti
19.5 - Granite
19.5 - Leonidas
19.0 - Hercules
19.0 - Archangel
19.0 - Whizz-Kid
19.0 - Trail Blazer
19.0 - Toxic
19.0 - Torpedo
18.5 - Hector
18.5 - Nazgul
18.5 - Fallen Angel
18.0 - Titter
18.0 - Stealth
18.0 - Nightfire
18.0 - Llewellyn
18.0 - Razorback
18.0 - Mithrandir III
18.0 - Trepidation
18.0 - Incubus II
17.5 - Abderian
16.5 - Interpolate II
16.5 - Hamburg
15.5 - Gandalf
15.5 - Megiddo II
15.0 - Kingfire
14.5 - Hal
14.0 - Boss
13.5 - Aiglos II
13.5 - Crown


Team Standings

58.5 - Swami
56.5 - Eran
55.5 - Wael
55.0 - Mark
53.0 - AllStars B
52.0 - Cock
51.0 - Graham
49.0 - Luis
48.5 - AllStars A
46.0 - Tom


This tournament can be followed more closely here with games available for download after each round:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=4314

The parameters for each setting used can be found here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=3054

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

A great competition,thanks Graham
My Archangel is a tough fighter,it won't go down that easy....
Dr.D

[Graham Banks]

A great competition,thanks Graham

Thanks Wael. Already looking forward to the next one!

[Graham Banks]

CM11 TEAMS CHALLENGE II

Intel Q6600 Quad Core
Fritz 11 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-16.ctg book (with 12 move limit)
40 moves in 32 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 58 rounds

The settings for each of the teams were chosen by the authors themselves.

Standings after Round 40

23.0 - Granite
23.0 - Lacetti
22.5 - Trail Blazer
22.0 - Leonidas
22.0 - Fallen Angel
22.0 - Nazgul
21.5 - Archangel
21.5 - Hector
21.5 - Razorback
21.5 - Torpedo
21.0 - Stealth
21.0 - Nightfire
21.0 - Hercules
21.0 - Whizz-Kid
21.0 - Mithrandir III
21.0 - Toxic
20.5 - Abderian
20.5 - Trepidation
20.5 - Incubus II
20.0 - Titter
20.0 - Llewellyn
18.5 - Gandalf
18.5 - Interpolate II
17.0 - Kingfire
17.0 - Hamburg
17.0 - Megiddo II
17.0 - Aiglos II
16.0 - Hal
15.5 - Boss
15.5 - Crown


Team Standings

66.5 - Swami
64.0 - Wael
63.0 - Eran
63.0 - Mark
61.5 - Cock
61.5 - AllStars B
57.5 - Graham
57.0 - AllStars A
56.0 - Luis
50.0 - Tom


This tournament can be followed more closely here with games available for download after each round:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=4314

The parameters for each setting used can be found here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=3054

[Graham Banks]

CM11 TEAMS CHALLENGE II

Intel Q6600 Quad Core
Fritz 11 GUI
128mb hash each
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
Balanced-16.ctg book (with 12 move limit)
40 moves in 32 minutes repeating (adapted for the CCRL)
2 cycles 58 rounds

The settings for each of the teams were chosen by the authors themselves.

Standings after Round 45

26.0 - Lacetti
26.0 - Granite
25.0 - Trail Blazer
25.0 - Fallen Angel
24.5 - Leonidas
24.5 - Nazgul
24.0 - Toxic
24.0 - Razorback
24.0 - Torpedo
23.5 - Hector
23.5 - Trepidation
23.5 - Mithrandir III
23.0 - Nightfire
23.0 - Abderian
23.0 - Archangel
23.0 - Hercules
23.0 - Stealth
23.0 - Whizz-Kid
23.0 - Incubus II
22.0 - Titter
22.0 - Llewellyn
21.5 - Kingfire
21.5 - Interpolate II
21.0 - Gandalf
20.5 - Megiddo II
19.0 - Aiglos II
18.5 - Hamburg
18.5 - Boss
18.0 - Crown
18.0 - Hal


Team Standings

74.0 - Swami
71.0 - Wael
70.5 - Mark
70.5 - AllStars B
69.5 - Eran
69.0 - Cock
65.5 - Graham
64.0 - AllStars A
63.0 - Luis
58.0 - Tom


This tournament can be followed more closely here with games available for download after each round:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=4314

The parameters for each setting used can be found here:
http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... f=7&t=3054

[swami]

18 and 26 - only 8 points difference. Leads me to believe that strength of all the chessmaster personalities are essentially the same.

If these were not chessmaster personalities but instead of some standard engines like Bugchess, Etchess and such in a tournament, would you expect to see points difference between the first and the last placing to be as less as 8 points after 45 rounds? I doubt it. I'd think the difference would be more.

If you re-run this tournament again, then you'd see that some other CM personality would come near Top placings, or exact opposite of first run even. Unpredictable.

If you re-run the tournament with standard engines, like the one in Cry of Ktulu but with comparable number of participants for example, I'd think the results would be exact same as the first run.

I don't know why such a randomness. Perhaps after millions of games, one could know, Bob's words ring true. But it doesn't take millions of games for standard engines. With 30-50 games in a tournament is enough to prove the difference between one engine and the other. Is it perhaps Chessmaster sometimes doesn't react much to input given in personality settings? could be but I have no evidence other than funny fluctuations in the standings tournament after tournament.

Anyway, interesting tourney, anything could still happen in the last 13 rounds, I'm not holding my breath, but I am keeping my fingers crossed...

[Graham Banks]

18 and 26 - only 8 points difference. Leads me to believe that strength of all the chessmaster personalities are essentially the same.

If these were not chessmaster personalities but instead of some standard engines like Bugchess, Etchess and such in a tournament, would you expect to see points difference between the first and the last placing to be as less as 8 points after 45 rounds? I doubt it. I'd think the difference would be more.

If you re-run this tournament again, then you'd see that some other CM personality would come near Top placings, or exact opposite of first run even. Unpredictable.

While these tournaments are essentially for fun, we're also looking for some settings that consistently do well.
Yes, the top settings are very very close in strength. No argument there whatsoever, and of course they are also likely to perform relatively differently against other engines.

[swami]

I think Ancalagon from De Gorter seems to be doing consistently better from all those mail test runs I've seen. No idea how strong it is, I'd test it sooner.

[swami]

A great competition,thanks Graham

Thanks Wael. Already looking forward to the next one!

Whoah.. there's going to be next one similar to this?! That's certainly going to keep me captivated.

If there is a similarity in the standings once the tournament is finished then I'd probably stick with same settings perhaps with the replacement of whizzkid. Ancalagon would stand out as first me thinks. I'm betting on it.