The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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I don't know what is meant by "probably more powerful than deep blue". Alot of things today probably are stronger at chess than Deep blue was.

Another question.
Will Rybka 6 or 7, on hardware which will be available on the market in 3 years from now, be less strong than this cluster version that is going to be now?
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Peter Hegger wrote:Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
Peter
Good point....
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Peter Hegger wrote:Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
Peter
Good point....
Dr.D
Actually i think it would be interesting to somehow keep a record of how many times the GM played moves different then the recommended best move by Hiarcs(once the game was out of book)

but i guess that might be hard to implement?
a simple way to achieve that would be perhaps to ask the
GM to simply mark his score sheet every time he played a move which differed from the one Hiarcs would have played
in a time scramble this might not work but then i imagine the GM will be blitizing moves on his own (not having the time to check with Hiarcs)


my guess would be that in the middle game 75%-90%
of moves recommended by Hiarcs will be played but in the endgame..perhaps 50%?

of course even just one move where the GM diverges can make the difference between the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat

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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Peter Hegger wrote:Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
Peter
Peter+Hiarcs+Hardware+CB x GM+Hiarcs+Hardware+CB.

I think the second entity will have no difficulties to win a match.
The middlegame and the endgame will be the key to that.
And I suppose that even the opening can make some difference.
Obviously Peter can not have a high rating.
A GM is dedicated to chess since childhood, he is a professional. He has the
experience and knowledge needed to evaluate much better than an amateur,
certain positions that the engines do not understand.
Today in my profession, a software is very important. I see engineers not specialized
in calculation of structures using a software for calculation of structure with
bad results.
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Steve B wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Peter Hegger wrote:Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
Peter
Good point....
Dr.D
Actually i think it would be interesting to somehow keep a record of how many times the GM played moves different then the recommended best move by Hiarcs(once the game was out of book)

but i guess that might be hard to implement?
a simple way to achieve that would be perhaps to ask the
GM to simply mark his score sheet every time he played a move which differed from the one Hiarcs would have played
in a time scramble this might not work but then i imagine the GM will be blitizing moves on his own (not having the time to check with Hiarcs)


my guess would be that in the middle game 75%-90%
of moves recommended by Hiarcs will be played but in the endgame..perhaps 50%?

of course even just one move where the GM diverges can make the difference between the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat

Pensive Regards
Steve
Not if the GM is using the Chessbase Database Program. The GM can Just mark all of his or her moves.
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Steve B wrote:
Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
Peter Hegger wrote:Let me make the moves for HIARCS instead of a GM doing it. I won't charge nearly as much.
Peter
Good point....
Dr.D
Actually i think it would be interesting to somehow keep a record of how many times the GM played moves different then the recommended best move by Hiarcs(once the game was out of book)

but i guess that might be hard to implement?
a simple way to achieve that would be perhaps to ask the
GM to simply mark his score sheet every time he played a move which differed from the one Hiarcs would have played
in a time scramble this might not work but then i imagine the GM will be blitizing moves on his own (not having the time to check with Hiarcs)


my guess would be that in the middle game 75%-90%
of moves recommended by Hiarcs will be played but in the endgame..perhaps 50%?

of course even just one move where the GM diverges can make the difference between the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat

Pensive Regards
Steve
The GM cannot do it because I guess that even in the middle game he is going to do something different than giving hiarcs to analyze the root position for all the time.

The GM can use hiarcs to analyze some plan that he has and simply not give hiarcs enough time to know the move that hiarcs suggests.

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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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Uri Blass wrote:
The GM can use hiarcs to analyze some plan that he has and simply not give hiarcs enough time to know the move that hiarcs suggests.
well then this illustrates that the GM will not be simply using Hiarcs to blindly suggest all of the moves .. all of the time .. as suggested by some of the above posts

still ..for those times where the GM uses Hiarcs to analyze from the Root i think it could be interesting to know the divergence %

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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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After this match Hiarcs should play Rybka again but without a gm. Lets see if Hiarcs does better with the gm or without the gm?
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Re: The Biggest Match since Kasparov v Deep Blue?

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