Shark is probably Rybka 3 Clone

[Eelco de Groot]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

But I don't understand, if the people on Playchess concluded years ago that this Shark is a Rybka clone, why is it still playing there? Normally every Rybka clone gets barred by Harvey Williamson and his boss, why not this one? And if this is not the genuine Shark all the more reason not to allow this name when there is good evidence it is just a Rybka clone.

Why does nobody protest against this nonsense. And if Playchess members did protest, apparently nothing was done with it. Don't Playchess care about public relations anymore?

Eelco

[F. Bluemers]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

But I don't understand, if the people on Playchess concluded years ago that this Shark is a Rybka clone, why is it still playing there? Normally every Rybka clone gets barred by Harvey Williamson and his boss, why not this one? And if this is not the genuine Shark all the more reason not to allow this name when there is good evidence it is just a Rybka clone.

Why does nobody protest against this nonsense. And if Playchess members did protest, apparently nothing was done with it. Don't Playchess care about public relations anymore?

Eelco

I never said that the cb guys concluded it was a clone,just people on the server.
A couple of years ago the guy wanted to go commercial with his "engine" and some of his friends on the server would get it free.
well,easy,most of them had Rybka already

edit yars => years

[bob]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

wasn't just Bruce. Jackass sent it to me and some others as well, as a sort of "group laugh" apparently.

But I don't understand, if the people on Playchess concluded years ago that this Shark is a Rybka clone, why is it still playing there? Normally every Rybka clone gets barred by Harvey Williamson and his boss, why not this one? And if this is not the genuine Shark all the more reason not to allow this name when there is good evidence it is just a Rybka clone.

Why does nobody protest against this nonsense. And if Playchess members did protest, apparently nothing was done with it. Don't Playchess care about public relations anymore?

Eelco

[Graham Banks]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

wasn't just Bruce. Jackass sent it to me and some others as well, as a sort of "group laugh" apparently.

Sickos - no need for this sort of thing in computer chess.

[F. Bluemers]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

wasn't just Bruce. Jackass sent it to me and some others as well, as a sort of "group laugh" apparently.

Sickos - no need for this sort of thing in computer chess.

It was a bad joke. It dissapeared at the same speed it became known
I wished more clones would do that

[bob]

the guy with shark/cryptic had nicks ending with 99.I would not be suprised at all if it was the same shark from the hydra team.
The same team that also had a "ground zero" engine

Maybe they don't like Americans. That would explain why they want to beat Rybka and then give away their engine for free. Is this politically motivated? And who was it again that welcomed Bruce Moreland with "The only good American..."

wasn't just Bruce. Jackass sent it to me and some others as well, as a sort of "group laugh" apparently.

Sickos - no need for this sort of thing in computer chess.

It was a bad joke. It dissapeared at the same speed it became known
I wished more clones would do that

Now there's a thought. But I suspect that from here on, every tournament is going to have at least a half-dozen clones/copies if not more, based on recent events and happenings.

[Mike S.]

Maybe (and I'd say most probably), there is no clone at all in this case but only an edited name for the display in the players list. That doesn't even require to change an (UCI) engine. UCI engines are registered to the interface by an ASCII file with .uci extension. If it's registered with non-default engine settings, the interface forces to extend the engine name, but it is not possible to change it completely via the interface. But you can put any random name into the .uci file manually, and it will be shown:





There is no such engine "A random name 1.234"! That was just a technical demonstration to show that we are - most probably - not really talking about a clone here, in this specific case. Just a wrong name in some list certainly wouldn't constitute a clone if no clone engine exists, actually. So far, I see no signs that any copyright claims were made or that software was distributed somehow... I only see a name which sometimes appears in a players list on a server. I don't see any clone.

By that, I don't mean to say that it's good behaviour. Of course, I would prefer that engines appear under their true names, everywhere. But what I see here has nothing to do with the cases where engines are distributed with wrong copyright claims, or software taken and published without permission etc.etc. These two totally different scenarios should be distinguished from each other.

[bob]

Maybe (and I'd say most probably), there is no clone at all in this case but only an edited name for the display in the players list. That doesn't even require to change an (UCI) engine. UCI engines are registered to the interface by an ASCII file with .uci extension. If it's registered with non-default engine settings, the interface forces to extend the engine name, but it is not possible to change it completely via the interface. But you can put any random name into the .uci file manually, and it will be shown:





There is no such engine "A random name 1.234"! That was just a technical demonstration to show that we are - most probably - not really talking about a clone here, in this specific case. Just a wrong name in some list certainly wouldn't constitute a clone if no clone engine exists, actually. So far, I see no signs that any copyright claims were made or that software was distributed somehow... I only see a name which sometimes appears in a players list on a server. I don't see any clone.

By that, I don't mean to say that it's good behaviour. Of course, I would prefer that engines appear under their true names, everywhere. But what I see here has nothing to do with the cases where engines are distributed with wrong copyright claims, or software taken and published without permission etc.etc. These two totally different scenarios should be distinguished from each other.

I'm not worried about the distribution issue, I'm more concerned with playing in a tournament and having more than one copy of Rybka 3, more than one copy of Stockfish, etc... That is a real problem and is happening regularly.

[Tord Romstad]

I'm not worried about the distribution issue, I'm more concerned with playing in a tournament and having more than one copy of Rybka 3, more than one copy of Stockfish, etc... That is a real problem and is happening regularly.

Do you have any examples? I know a few cases in the distant past, but I don't recall any recent examples of something like this.

[lonola]

Has anyone thought of the possibility that if you have "rybka.exe" and you rename it in windows to "othername.exe" it will be reported as another engine? It could be a kid having a bit of a laugh.