Carlsen wins Pearl Spring with 3002 performance

[lonola]

I completely agree with you Sam. My trollometer already reached
unbelievable heights for 'Mr. Lonola' for other posts of him in the last
10 days. Obviously trolling is his only business and I find several insulting
posts there already.
I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly shows up as another 'Steen' or
a little kid with his first chess courses and with bad manners.
May be Gremlins have taken over his computer, to use one of his
trollish answers.

Guenther

Perhaps Guenther, you can succeed where the fanboys have failed and produce the results from tournament chess and match play that "proves" that Carlsen has reached the performances of Tal, Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov? It would be nice to see actual proof don't you think?

[lonola]

Uri how do you know that it was expensive training? Was a figure quoted somewhere that I missed?

Its fanboyism pure and simple that is why there is no evidence from match play/tournaments to back up his claims.

[Leto]

How about a Carlson vs Rybka match? I'll put my money on Carlson, provided hardware is a Quad and not a cluster.

Who is Carlson? Are you talking about Magnus Carlsen? He is not even a world champion. I'm willing to bet you that the top programs i.e. Rybka/Hiarcs/Fritz would beat the world chess champion in a 24 game match at classical time controls on only an off the shelf laptop.

Magnus Carlsen is probably the best chess player in the world and he probably can beat the world champion in a match.

I will not be surprised if Magnus Carlsen is going to get 60% or 70% when he get opportunity to play a match for the world title and I will not be surprised if Magnus Carlsen is going to be the only human to get fide rating above 2900 but I still consider rybka to be favourite against him.

Uri

I don't think Carlsen has the experience yet to beat Anand in a world championship match.

[Uri Blass]

My opinion is not based only on the fact that he won one tournament.

I also disagree that he cannot see a tactical combination.
He did not see a tactical combination during the game and there is a difference.

Uri

Again that is fanboyism not based on results over many, many years or wins in matches against the top chess players. Unfortunately in chess one has to win matches against the top chess players to even consider awarding "top player" status.

I disagree with you.

Some facts

1)Magnus Carlsen is clearly younger than the other guys at the top and he has rating above 2750 from april 2008(we can expect young players to improve and their rating is often lower than their real level).
2)I read that Magnus Carlsen got lately expensive training from kasparov and common sense tells me that he did not pay a lot of money for nothing.
3)Magnus Carlsen got 8/10 in his last tournament when all of his opponents are with rating above 2700 and it supports the theory that the expensive training with kasparov helped Magnus to get better.

These facts are enough for me to believe that Magnus Carlsen is probably the best human player in the world today.

Uri

Uri how do you know that it was expensive training? Was a figure quoted somewhere that I missed?

I read the following link from 7.9.2009

http://chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5742


"The collaboration, which until now has been kept secret, has been under way for six months, confirms Magnus Carlsen himself. He will not reveal what the training program costs, but confirms that it is expensive."


Uri

[Uri Blass]

How about a Carlson vs Rybka match? I'll put my money on Carlson, provided hardware is a Quad and not a cluster.

Who is Carlson? Are you talking about Magnus Carlsen? He is not even a world champion. I'm willing to bet you that the top programs i.e. Rybka/Hiarcs/Fritz would beat the world chess champion in a 24 game match at classical time controls on only an off the shelf laptop.

Magnus Carlsen is probably the best chess player in the world and he probably can beat the world champion in a match.

I will not be surprised if Magnus Carlsen is going to get 60% or 70% when he get opportunity to play a match for the world title and I will not be surprised if Magnus Carlsen is going to be the only human to get fide rating above 2900 but I still consider rybka to be favourite against him.

Uri

I don't think Carlsen has the experience yet to beat Anand in a world championship match.

I do not think that it is a question of experience but a question of knowledge about chess and my opinion is that Carlsen has enough knowledge.

Carlsen won 8-2 against players at 2700+ level and my guess is that he can beat every human in a match 6-4 or higher.

Uri

[Dirt]

Computers definitely have improved recently but I still see lower rated GM's like Joel Benjamin drawing rather easily, if the match conditions were Draw odds then Carlsen would definitely win the match.

Perhaps in regular chess, but not in FRC.

[Dirt]

The last match where Kramnik lost to Deep Fritz emanated from a game where he blundered to a mate in one against Fritz in game 2. He then tried hard to win game 6 but lost. If he had not lost game 2, he could have probably drawn game 6 and the match.

That version of Fritz was broken, and did not play well on a quad. Beyond that, Kramnik had the following advantages:

• Even a fixed Fritz was much weaker than the best programs.
  
  The hardware Fritz used was far from the best available.
  
  Kramnik got to peek at Fritz' book.
  
  Fritz was not allowed to win if a tablebase drawn end game was reached.

Maybe Kramnik would still have had a good chance of drawing without those advantages, but personally I doubt it.

[M ANSARI]

Disregarding Carlsen's incredibly impressive performance in tournaments, especially considering his age ... I think you will find that the biggest "fanboy" for Carlsen is non other than Garry Kasparov. I would think that if Garry Kasparov thinks that Carlsen is different and will end up as one of the strongest chess players ever, then he probably is correct. GK should know more than anyone else here as he is the strongest player in the history of chess. Remember, GK saw something special with Carlsen many years back when Carlsen was almost a toddler. I remember a game in 2004 where GK had to sweat out a draw, and ended up being really surprised at the maturity and level of play. Furthermore, anyone that has wins against Kramnik, Topalov, Anand, Leko, Ivanchuk, Shirov, Morosovich etc... all before he has reached the age of 20. That is impressive indeed, but to be honest it will all pale in comparison to what we will see within the next 5 years.

There are very few players who have that little extra which makes them stand out. Bobby Fischer was one, Garry Kasparov another ... and Carlsen will be the next. Carlsen is probably more impressive as I believe that today's game is much more advanced than it ever was due to computers helping in databases, opening theories and availability of incredibly high level of sparring play at anytime by a simple press of a Start button.

[Guenther]

I completely agree with you Sam. My trollometer already reached
unbelievable heights for 'Mr. Lonola' for other posts of him in the last
10 days. Obviously trolling is his only business and I find several insulting
posts there already.
I wouldn't be surprised if he suddenly shows up as another 'Steen' or
a little kid with his first chess courses and with bad manners.
May be Gremlins have taken over his computer, to use one of his
trollish answers.

Guenther

Perhaps Guenther, you can succeed where the fanboys have failed and produce the results from tournament chess and match play that "proves" that Carlsen has reached the performances of Tal, Fischer, Karpov and Kasparov? It would be nice to see actual proof don't you think?

You missed the point. I don't care about Carlsen, but your choice of words
in _nearly all_ of your posts is not appropiated here to say the least.

http://www.talkchess.com/forum/search.p ... aul+Lonola

Guenther

P.S. Your new avatar is against the charta. Hint :: size

[lonola]

@Guenther you should keep quiet as you don't know what is going on.