False draw claim in winboard

[Engin]

hello,
i wonder why winboard does the point give black by draw?
the game was 3 fold repetition, and it must be result draw.
i used winboard version 4.3.15m

here is the full game...

[Event "FSTM_blitz"]
[Site "ENGIN-PC"]
[Date "2009.11.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Tornado 3.42 64bit"]
[Black "Crafty-23.0 JA"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "40/600"]
[Annotator "9. +0.67 6... +0.00"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 Bb4+ 4. Nbd2 O-O 5. e3 d5 6. Bd3 dxc4
{+0.00/16 39} 7. Bxc4 Nc6 {+0.07/16 30} 8. O-O Bd7 {+0.11/15 28} 9. Bd3
{+0.67/17 40} Bd6 {+0.31/17 0.5} 10. Nc4 {+0.63/17 37} Nb4 11. Be2
{+0.60/16 42} Bb5 12. Bd2 {+0.73/17 37} Bxc4 13. Bxc4 {+0.64/17 29} Qe7 14.
a3 {+1.01/16 27} Nc6 {+0.49/14 20} 15. Qb3 {+1.01/15 12} Rab8 {+0.37/15 19}
16. Qc2 {+1.00/15 12} e5 {+0.31/14 20} 17. h3 {+0.93/14 24} exd4
{+0.09/15 24} 18. exd4 {+1.02/17 22} Qe4 19. Qc3 {+0.76/15 25} Qf5 20. Rfe1
{+1.01/15 19} Rfe8 21. b4 {+0.95/13 18} a6 {+0.32/13 22} 22. Qb3
{+1.15/15 0.1} Ne4 {+0.25/14 22} 23. Be3 {+1.10/15 50} Re7 {+0.16/13 22}
24. Bd3 {+1.00/14 13} Rbe8 {+0.21/14 7} 25. d5 {+0.67/15 8} Nb8
{+1.26/16 37} 26. Ng5 {+1.54/16 12} Nd2 {+1.32/17 8} 27. Bxf5 {+1.53/17 12}
Nxb3 28. Bxh7+ {+1.59/17 15} Kh8 {+1.23/19 7} 29. Rab1 {+1.83/17 8} Bf4
{+1.27/18 16} 30. Rxb3 {+1.36/17 0.1} Bxg5 {+1.45/18 9} 31. Bc2
{+1.44/18 7} Nd7 {+1.39/19 19} 32. Rc3 {+1.31/17 0.1} Nf6 {+1.42/18 28} 33.
Rd1 {+1.45/18 0.1} Bxe3 {+1.50/19 27} 34. fxe3 {+1.40/18 18} Rd7 35. Rd4
{+1.17/18 13} g6 {+1.57/18 18} 36. e4 {+1.12/16 18} c6 {+1.47/18 12} 37.
Ba4 {+1.20/16 11} Nxe4 {+0.49/19 32} 38. Rcd3 {+0.76/17 15} Kg7
{+0.45/20 15} 39. dxc6 {-0.01/20 16} Rxd4 40. Rxd4 {+0.87/21 18} Nc3 41.
cxb7 {-0.01/22 1:30} Nxa4 {-0.01/19 7} 42. Rd6 {-0.01/24 37} Rb8 43. Rxa6
{-0.01/25 39} Nc3 44. Rc6 {-0.01/23 58} Nb1 {-0.01/19 20} 45. a4
{-0.01/22 12} Rxb7 {-0.01/19 6} 46. b5 {-0.01/21 25} Nd2 47. b6
{-0.01/20 29} Nb3 {-0.01/17 20} 48. h4 {-0.01/20 11} Kf8 {-0.01/17 20} 49.
Kf2 {-0.01/19 6} Ke7 {-0.01/17 14} 50. g4 {-0.01/20 12} Kd7 {-0.01/18 8}
51. Rf6 {-0.01/22 16} Ke8 52. Rc6 {-0.01/20 18} Kd7 53. Rf6 {-0.01/24 19}
Ke7 {-0.01/19 3} 54. Rc6 {-0.01/24 16} Kd8 55. h5 {-0.01/19 15} Kd7
{-0.01/18 22} 56. Rf6 {-0.01/21 0.1} Ke7 {-0.01/18 22} 57. Rc6
{-0.01/22 0.1} gxh5 {-0.01/18 23} 58. gxh5 {-0.01/22 14} Kd7 {-0.01/18 14}
59. Rf6 {-0.01/21 2.3} Ke7 {-0.01/19 28} 60. Rc6 {-0.01/23 0.1} Kd7
{-0.01/19 25} 61. Rf6 {-0.01/22 13} Ke7 62. Rc6 {-0.01/24 12}
{False draw claim: 'Draw by repetition'} 0-1

[beachknight]

Do you plan using new versions, either 4.40 or 4.41?

Best,

[Engin]

in future maybe, for the moment is 3.42 out on my homepage at http://www.tornadochess.de

enjoy !

[Engin]

the position with Ke7 Rc6 was 3 times on board

if this is a bug then all tournaments are false !!!

[Ferdy]

the position with Ke7 Rc6 was 3 times on board

Please check the side to move, on that position it is black to move.
Black can claim a draw here, white cannot.
If black plays Kd7 (on its next move), only then white can claim a draw.

Check FIDE rule 9.2 below, this is taken from fritz gui.

Winboard adjudication here is correct, perhaps white should just offer a draw.

9.2. The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, when the same position, for at least the third time (not necessarily by repetition of moves)

(a) is about to appear, if he first writes his move on his scoresheet and declares to the arbiter his intention to make this move, or

(b) has just appeared.

Positions as in (a) and (b) are considered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. Positions are not the same if a pawn could have been captured en passant or if the right to castle immediately or in the future has been changed.

9.3. The game is drawn, upon a correct claim by the player having the move, if

(a) he writes on his scoresheet, and declares to the arbiter his intention to make a move which shall result in the last 50 moves having been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece, or

(b) the last 50 consecutive moves have been made by each player without the movement of any pawn and without the capture of any piece.

[Engin]

the draw was claimed by crafty not from Tornado with polyglot, or had polyglot a bug?

[Engin]

and why winboard give the full point to crafty who have wrong draw claimed ?

[beachknight]

in future maybe, for the moment is 3.42 out on my homepage at http://www.tornadochess.de

enjoy !

downloaded yesterday. it was the biggest tornado so far.

Thank you!

What I meant was :

Using new WB versions 4.4.0 or 4.4.1 might solve the problem.

As Ferdinand wrote, it seems that Tornado's claim of
3-moves-rep was false and/or Crafty will have accepted
a draw offer in this position?

Best,

[Engin]

yes, its this time the book who is so big over 10 mb, that book include more then 1.2 million moves.


ok, i missunderstand what you meaning with 4.4.1 (you wrote 4.41!)

the other point is of wrong draw claim comes not from Tornado, UCI engines cant claim a draw it self, that will doing the polyglot adapter, and i scored of 0.00 now replaced with -0.01 for draws, to avoid draws

it is inpossible that comes from Tornado !

[beachknight]

yes, its this time the book who is so big over 10 mb, that book include more then 1.2 million moves.


ok, i missunderstand what you meaning with 4.4.1 (you wrote 4.41!)

the other point is of wrong draw claim comes not from Tornado, UCI engines cant claim a draw it self, that will doing the polyglot adapter, and i scored of 0.00 now replaced with -0.01 for draws, to avoid draws

it is inpossible that comes from Tornado !

Or better you can wait a little for new version, WB 4.4.2.

My experience is that Crafty will accept a draw offer in a
drawn position. Dont know Tornado

Best,