A New Revolution in (Online) Computerchess by Vasik!

[Rolf]

Since SMK is allowed to make advertisement for his softcell software it should be tolerated that I make a hint on the most revolutionary step in computerchess for years and decades.

Today Vas Rajlich published sort of detailed announcement for the new Rybka 4.

The main content is this, I sum it up very roughly. You all can read it for yourself.

The newest idea is this. Together with the main companies (for Rybka yet) ChessBase and Convekta, and on their servers (already the known Playchess of CB and a new still to build up for Convekta) chess enthisiasts can loan sort of analysing time and that is now the sensation! - this is being anylyed on different strengths of hardware.

I think this is an almost revolution because the best software isnt the best if on tournaments the software is running on clusters which are impossible to buy for the average chess player. Now through simple socialising the best possible combination at a time being will be attainable by everyone. While the chess software until now was a sort of hot air because it depended too much in strength on the available harware.

Vas has created another aspect of this new age of online chess. It is wanted and asked for that all kind of talents in all parts of the World in special the undersevelopped States of Eastern Europe and the Third World can participate in the shaping process of the best online hardware/software entitiy. Gone are the times where every novelty or private idea is to be judged as a thrat towards the established software author. IMO it's clear that the whole online offer remains to be done by a lot of human robots. Here the actually underdevelopped software developpers could find a field with a high income. In short, for me Vas will create a fantastic crimeless period in history. People get back to the origines of chess away from illegal and evil intentions to harm other people. Goal is in the end the "solution" of the game in hopefully as many as possible generations and centuries.

IMO Vas is not only a genius in software chess but he's a special peaceful personality who now brings people together in peace not through preaches but through his role model and kybernetic ideas.

I really do love computerchess again!

All the best to all the friends wherever they may live.

-Rolf

[F. Bluemers]

[quote="Rolf"]Since SMK is allowed to make advertisement for his softcell software it should be tolerated that
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Hmm
Almost as if this would implie that if Ippolit was commercial it would be ok to link to it

[Cubeman]

This is only for the rich people who can afford to rent time on the server.Count me out.Rather spend that money sipping my favourite beverage and using free or 2nd best commercial engines.I am no Topalov or Anand and will not get any tangible benefit from this set-up.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

This is only for the rich people who can afford to rent time on the server.Count me out.Rather spend that money sipping my favourite beverage and using free or 2nd best commercial engines.I am no Topalov or Anand and will not get any tangible benefit from this set-up.

Exactly and defenitely the case
As I commented before,it's an ugly strategy and unfriendly oriented policy regarding customers....
He's dividing the customer's group into 2 subgroups:

_Group 1 that will benifit from this srevice...
_Group 2 that will will not benifit from this service....

I am something inbetween,I can benifit but I won't because I don't give a damn anymore....

Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Since SMK is allowed to make advertisement for his softcell software it should be tolerated that I make a hint on the most revolutionary step in computerchess for years and decades.

Today Vas Rajlich published sort of detailed announcement for the new Rybka 4.

The main content is this, I sum it up very roughly. You all can read it for yourself.

The newest idea is this. Together with the main companies (for Rybka yet) ChessBase and Convekta, and on their servers (already the known Playchess of CB and a new still to build up for Convekta) chess enthisiasts can loan sort of analysing time and that is now the sensation! - this is being anylyed on different strengths of hardware.

I think this is an almost revolution because the best software isnt the best if on tournaments the software is running on clusters which are impossible to buy for the average chess player. Now through simple socialising the best possible combination at a time being will be attainable by everyone. While the chess software until now was a sort of hot air because it depended too much in strength on the available harware.

Vas has created another aspect of this new age of online chess. It is wanted and asked for that all kind of talents in all parts of the World in special the undersevelopped States of Eastern Europe and the Third World can participate in the shaping process of the best online hardware/software entitiy. Gone are the times where every novelty or private idea is to be judged as a thrat towards the established software author. IMO it's clear that the whole online offer remains to be done by a lot of human robots. Here the actually underdevelopped software developpers could find a field with a high income. In short, for me Vas will create a fantastic crimeless period in history. People get back to the origines of chess away from illegal and evil intentions to harm other people. Goal is in the end the "solution" of the game in hopefully as many as possible generations and centuries.

IMO Vas is not only a genius in software chess but he's a special peaceful personality who now brings people together in peace not through preaches but through his role model and kybernetic ideas.

I really do love computerchess again!

All the best to all the friends wherever they may live.

-Rolf

Now through simple socialising the best possible combination at a time being will be attainable by everyone.

Seriously,by everyone....
Think twice please and show me how it's possible....

IMO Vas is not only a genius in software chess but he's a special peaceful personality who now brings people together in peace not through preaches but through his role model and kybernetic ideas.

Actualy he's dividing people into 2 groups,one that they can afford the service and one that they can't....this is not a revolutionary kebernetic idea,it's a financial mechanism to snatch every possible $ he can get from our small community....

Dr.D

[AdminX]

Hi,

All it is, is "time sharing" (of software & hardware), and they would need much better hardware to get me interested. I can see how some might be interested in the idea however. The concept of time sharing has been around for very a long time now...

[gerold]

Since SMK is allowed to make advertisement for his softcell software it should be tolerated that
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Hmm
Almost as if this would implie that if Ippolit was commercial it would be ok to link to it

This question is off tropic.
Have you the latest version of big gun/
Beats Robbolite by a long shot.

Best.

Gerold.

[jdart]

Remote access to compute resources (h/w + s/w) is not a new idea. But it has become practical and relatively cheap to build large clusters of low- to medium-cost machines relatively recently.

Amazon has a cloud computing service that will do exactly what Vas is describing (but you have to supply the software beyond the OS). Microsoft is getting into this business too.

The main complaints seem to be about pricing. Pricing per unit of CPU power is only going to get cheaper over time. So if you don't like it now you may like it later .

There is a point about scaling too. The proposal seems to be pricing per thread. If I ask for 64 threads do I get the same performance I'd have on a dedicated 8-machine cluster of 8-core hosts? Probably not, not even close. These are virtualized resources we're talking about. So you can't "rent a cluster" very easily it appears (or cheaply).

So right now it may not be attractive. But the idea is sound enough IMO.

--Jon

[AdminX]

"The main complaints seem to be about pricing. Pricing per unit of CPU power is only going to get cheaper over time. So if you don't like it now you may like it later" .

So right now it may not be attractive. But the idea is sound enough IMO.

--Jon

True and agreed!

[AdminX]

This is only for the rich people who can afford to rent time on the server.

I would rather take the cash I would spend on renting and buy a new high end system.