solis wrote:You are running Rybka 3 in conditions that crippled it, not allowing it to use the remaining 3 cpus of your machine.
MiguelExactly. Rybka was crippled in your hardware.
Miguel,
these games were played on a single core computer so Rybka could not use 4 cores any anyway.
I cannot care less which one is better.
Do you want me to send you the games where Rybka 3 lost the tournaments playing 4 cores against Robbo on single core.Just do the testing and see for yourself.Or go to the site where the Robbo testing is being done and see that Robbo has beat in tournaments all available engines that were also using all available cores.The scores abound but you wont like it.When MP versions come, report them. That will be fair.There you will find my reports where Robbo was playing Rybka on 4 cores and that also did not help
And if you are talking about fairness would that be fair to compare the same thing like one core.When MP versions comes
No, they will be using whatever they had. Rybka is crippled in *your* hardware.
what would than be excuse for loosing.And people who have only one core computers are using"crippled' Rybka according to you.
I do not understand all this sexist trash talk. Please be serious.
So all of them should buy Quads to be able to use Rybka.Just sore loser argument
But to be fair I have analyzed why Rybka lost the match.Here are the findings:
Rybka being postmenopausal had hot flashes so she could not concentrate.
Playing 100 games without the break was causing her a problem.She desperately had to go and pee.Me Rybka defendant?According to her this was old and slow computer.Wanted more cores.
The temperature in the room was not right.Hot flashes as I said.
The room was in the lower floor and she wanted the study upstairs.
There was not enough light in that room even during the day so she missed some good moves and lost.Maybe she needs glasses.
Robbo was singing :I know 1000 ways how to prepare the fish so she was mentally distracted.
The time for the games was to long and it was tiring her .
Some other things I forgot but I would appreciate if Miguel and other Rybka defendants
I am pointing out that the current statements of A is better than B is flawed if conditions are chosen to benefit one engine over the other.
The dream goes on. What dream?
would add more reasons to make this picture more complete.
At the end I would like to thank the authors of Ippolit and RobboLito and especially Norman Schmidt and others from the gang who made testing of these engines such a pleasurable experience.The friendship and camaraderie will be unforgettable.
And the dream goes on !!
Miguel
What's the latest compiled version of Robo ?
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Do you want me to send you the games where Rybka 3 lost the tournaments playing 4 cores against Robbo on single core.Just do the testing and see for yourself.Or go to the site where the Robbo testing is being done and see that Robbo has beat in tournaments all available engines that were also using all available cores.The scores abound but you wont like it.
I cannot care less which one is better.
Miguel, if you don't care which engine is better why all you comments trying to deny that Robbo beats the skirt out of Rybka.
Do you want me to send you the games where Rybka 3 lost the tournaments playing 4 cores against Robbo on single core.Just do the testing and see for yourself.Or go to the site where the Robbo testing is being done and see that Robbo has beat in tournaments all available engines that were also using all available cores.The scores abound but you wont like it.
I cannot care less which one is better.
Miguel, if you don't care which engine is better why all you comments trying to deny that Robbo beats the skirt out of Rybka.
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I do not need the games, just report the results.solis wrote:Quote:
Do you want me to send you the games where Rybka 3 lost the tournaments playing 4 cores against Robbo on single core.
Because it is a matter of respect for the authors who took time to developed engines to use current hardware's full potential. When I developed SMP support for my humble engine, I had to dedicate quite a bit of time and it is still not optimal. For example, that time could have been used for other areas if only single core computers exist, but that is not what we have in the real world. If this were a trivial addition, RL would have it already, wouldn't it?
Just do the testing and see for yourself.
Or go to the site where the Robbo testing is being done and see that Robbo has beat in tournaments all available engines that were also using all available cores.The scores abound but you wont like it.
I cannot care less which one is better.
Miguel, if you don't care which engine is better why all you comments trying to deny that Robbo beats the skirt out of Rybka.
Also, why do I see that some of the testing is done without pondering. Is it because RL cannot ponder?
Miguel
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Good work (100 hours)!solis wrote: Engine Score +20 -6 =26 Ry
1: RobboLito 085e4 32.0/50 1111===1==01110===10=0=1====1==1==01=1===1=1111=10
2: Rybka 3 1-cpu w32 18.0/50 ··················································
But:
Robbo e4 is optimized here for 32-bit, in 64-bit Rybka would do better.
The 1 hour time control is nice, but too bad it's on a 2 GHz P4...
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What's the latest compiled version of Robo ?
RobboLito 0.085e4
Everyone is claiming it's actually better than Rybka3 true
I do not know, have not been tested!
RobboLito 0.085e4
Everyone is claiming it's actually better than Rybka3 true
I do not know, have not been tested!
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This is what I've been told, it may be inaccurate.SzG wrote:When did Vasik say his house had been intruded and Rybka 4 robbed? He did say the machines on which he develops Rybka have no internet connection.Terry McCracken wrote:Go look it up. Anyone can. It's close in strenght to Rybka 3, maybe a tad stronger as it contains it would seem Rybka 4.bigo wrote:Everyone is claiming it's actually better than Rybka3 true
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After the above, your credibility has become non-existent.solis wrote:Rybka being postmenopausal had hot flashes so she could not concentrate.
Playing 100 games without the break was causing her a problem.She desperately had to go and pee.
According to her this was old and slow computer.Wanted more cores.
The temperature in the room was not right.Hot flashes as I said.
The room was in the lower floor and she wanted the study upstairs.
There was not enough light in that room even during the day so she missed some good moves and lost.Maybe she needs glasses.
Robbo was singing :I know 1000 ways how to prepare the fish so she was mentally distracted.
The time for the games was to long and it was tiring her.
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and what's that supposed to mean ?
He is not allowed to say his opinion, what kind of free speech is that ?
or does that kind only exist where you are so he is not allowed to say his opinion, unless he agrees with you ?
He is not allowed to say his opinion, what kind of free speech is that ?
or does that kind only exist where you are so he is not allowed to say his opinion, unless he agrees with you ?
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Miguel posted:
Also, why do I see that some of the testing is done without pondering. Is it because RL cannot ponder?
Miguel
Yes Miguel,
It ponders and it ponders well!
Makes me think though, kinda strange isn’t it…?
The original RobboLito release had no ponder, no UCI options, no book support, no smp, no multiPV, etc… …i,e, absolutely no features at all…
If it were in fact a reverse engineered ‘clone’ of rybka 3, or stolen code….as some here are arguing-
Why doesn’t it include any of these features (all of which are present in Rybka3)?
It really looks more like it’s a work in progess, doesn’t it…?
Also, why do I see that some of the testing is done without pondering. Is it because RL cannot ponder?
Miguel
Yes Miguel,
It ponders and it ponders well!
Makes me think though, kinda strange isn’t it…?
The original RobboLito release had no ponder, no UCI options, no book support, no smp, no multiPV, etc… …i,e, absolutely no features at all…
If it were in fact a reverse engineered ‘clone’ of rybka 3, or stolen code….as some here are arguing-
Why doesn’t it include any of these features (all of which are present in Rybka3)?
It really looks more like it’s a work in progess, doesn’t it…?
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Hi Alex,
yes, all is the same if I thinking on the 40 or more beta versions of Patriot developement. Vladimir have the same problems with adapter code, ponder and so on. 100% the same with RobboLito.
On the other hand ...
The programmer of Cyclone (Norm Pollock?) made all the updates for Robbolito. I think he try to make the code clear for us to see more ... all what I read is that the code of Ippolit is unclear.
Best
Frank
yes, all is the same if I thinking on the 40 or more beta versions of Patriot developement. Vladimir have the same problems with adapter code, ponder and so on. 100% the same with RobboLito.
On the other hand ...
The programmer of Cyclone (Norm Pollock?) made all the updates for Robbolito. I think he try to make the code clear for us to see more ... all what I read is that the code of Ippolit is unclear.
Best
Frank