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[Dr.Wael Deeb]

DO you have any proof that the program is a clone or any proof
that it is not a clone.

I have the proof:
1. Ippolit is a clone of Rybka.
2. It is not a clone of Rybka 3, it is a clone of next version of Rybka.
3. It can not be the result of reverse engeneering. It was made from original sources of Rybka.

"Vasik Rajlich: "There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email".
You can't both be right, or can you?

Lies are all over the place here....simply disgusting....
Dr.D

[Alexander Schmidt]

crap

Are you psychologist? I ask because psychologists always want to read between the lines and draw conlclusions. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. But in both cases the psychologist is assured he is right.

1) Vas himself has NEVER claimed that his verdict that was in very shortness "Clone!" would be the end because he were God.

I never said something like that.

2) Stupid and evil critics of Vas have insinuated this sort of crap. That is what happebned here and you give just another version of that crap.

Please tell me what of this post are "Stupid and evil critics"

The hype is that after Vas told you what he told everybody before

I did not get ANY answer by you guys about the questions "Rybka 3 or Rybka 4 clone", "What is from Rybka" and "how much". You knew it already? Why didn't you tell it?

you appear here and insinuate that because of your oh so correct question Vas suddenly saw the necessity of having to deliver further explanations.

I never said something like that.

You are with some others interested into these clones. For what it's worth you support chess cyber terrorism.

You believe Rybka is no Fruit clone? Well, I don't know and I will not judge this. But some respected people say it is. People known in computerchess from it's beginning. They even posted examples and details about their accusation. But you don't believe it because the evidences (which you as non-programmer don't understand) are not enough for you. That's Fine. But accept other people to behave in the same way as you.

I behave in the Ippolit/Rybka case in the same way as you in the Rybka/Fruit case and you go berserk.

I don't comment the rest of your crap. I go off topic now. I heard enough insults from you now. You always tell us how civilized you are, that you studied in princeton. But you don't behave like an intellectual, your level of conversation is the level of some dumb hooligans, agressive, full of insults. Packed between nice, intellectual words, but still aggressive and insulting. Things like "Nobody half way sane in his mind did ever " is the same as "you are insane".

You wrote this as reply on a factual posting without any personal attacks or "Stupid and evil critics".

In the past I didn't read your posts. Too long without any contribution to the discussion. Just some far fetched personal conclusions. If one tries to discuss with you, you don't answer on questions and don't reply to the important points. It's like you play a rhetoric game, to proof others how intelligent you are. I have an IQ of 144, not too bad as well. But I don't have to proof it to others or myself.

I wonder why I write such a long reply. It's wasted time. You won't change yourself, and I wont read your crap anymore.

Bye Bye, have a nice life.

[Alexander Schmidt]

moderation asked you to not start up new threads merely to ask a question that you asked in another thread(s) which went unanswered.

Sorry, then I missunderstood.

Is this rule somewhere in the charter? I must have missed it

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

crap

Are you psychologist? I ask because psychologists always want to read between the lines and draw conlclusions. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. But in both cases the psychologist is assured he is right.

1) Vas himself has NEVER claimed that his verdict that was in very shortness "Clone!" would be the end because he were God.

I never said something like that.

2) Stupid and evil critics of Vas have insinuated this sort of crap. That is what happebned here and you give just another version of that crap.

Please tell me what of this post are "Stupid and evil critics"

The hype is that after Vas told you what he told everybody before

I did not get ANY answer by you guys about the questions "Rybka 3 or Rybka 4 clone", "What is from Rybka" and "how much". You knew it already? Why didn't you tell it?

you appear here and insinuate that because of your oh so correct question Vas suddenly saw the necessity of having to deliver further explanations.

I never said something like that.

You are with some others interested into these clones. For what it's worth you support chess cyber terrorism.

You believe Rybka is no Fruit clone? Well, I don't know and I will not judge this. But some respected people say it is. People known in computerchess from it's beginning. They even posted examples and details about their accusation. But you don't believe it because the evidences (which you as non-programmer don't understand) are not enough for you. That's Fine. But accept other people to behave in the same way as you.

I behave in the Ippolit/Rybka case in the same way as you in the Rybka/Fruit case and you go berserk.

I don't comment the rest of your crap. I go off topic now. I heard enough insults from you now. You always tell us how civilized you are, that you studied in princeton. But you don't behave like an intellectual, your level of conversation is the level of some dumb hooligans, agressive, full of insults. Packed between nice, intellectual words, but still aggressive and insulting. Things like "Nobody half way sane in his mind did ever " is the same as "you are insane".

You wrote this as reply on a factual posting without any personal attacks or "Stupid and evil critics".

In the past I didn't read your posts. Too long without any contribution to the discussion. Just some far fetched personal conclusions. If one tries to discuss with you, you don't answer on questions and don't reply to the important points. It's like you play a rhetoric game, to proof others how intelligent you are. I have an IQ of 144, not too bad as well. But I don't have to proof it to others or myself.

I wonder why I write such a long reply. It's wasted time. You won't change yourself, and I wont read your crap anymore.

Bye Bye, have a nice life.

Rolf is obsessed with the piece of software Vasik has created and then a few exchanged e-mails with Vasik and maybe one or two chattings with him over the Skype would produce such a faithful sectarian who will even sacrifice his own life for Rybka and it's maker....

Rolf,you didn't answer Marie's question yet:
Did Vasik promise to release Rybka 3+ or he didn't
If yes,when will he release it to the Rybka's customers
You're an inside man,right Go ask him and be kind enough to answer us please....
Dr.D

[K I Hyams]

DO you have any proof that the program is a clone or any proof
that it is not a clone.

I have the proof:
1. Ippolit is a clone of Rybka.
2. It is not a clone of Rybka 3, it is a clone of next version of Rybka.
3. It can not be the result of reverse engeneering. It was made from original sources of Rybka.

"Vasik Rajlich: "There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email".
You can't both be right, or can you?

Lies are all over the place here....simply disgusting....
Dr.D

Which one are you going to put your money on, Wael?

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

DO you have any proof that the program is a clone or any proof
that it is not a clone.

I have the proof:
1. Ippolit is a clone of Rybka.
2. It is not a clone of Rybka 3, it is a clone of next version of Rybka.
3. It can not be the result of reverse engeneering. It was made from original sources of Rybka.

"Vasik Rajlich: "There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email".
You can't both be right, or can you?

Lies are all over the place here....simply disgusting....
Dr.D

Which one are you going to put your money on, Wael?

To tell you the truth,I am confused....I need more information so that I can come up with a straight conclusion....that's what I do with the patients at the hospital....solid grounds....
Reading only empty words and obvious lies won't help much here....
Dr.D

[K I Hyams]

DO you have any proof that the program is a clone or any proof
that it is not a clone.

I have the proof:
1. Ippolit is a clone of Rybka.
2. It is not a clone of Rybka 3, it is a clone of next version of Rybka.
3. It can not be the result of reverse engeneering. It was made from original sources of Rybka.

"Vasik Rajlich: "There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email".
You can't both be right, or can you?

Lies are all over the place here....simply disgusting....
Dr.D

Which one are you going to put your money on, Wael?

To tell you the truth,I am confused....I need more information so that I can come up with a straight conclusion....that's what I do with the patients at the hospital....solid grounds....
Reading only empty words and obvious lies won't help much here....
Dr.D

My money goes on the one who didn't put out a clone.

[K I Hyams]

DO you have any proof that the program is a clone or any proof
that it is not a clone.

I have the proof:
1. Ippolit is a clone of Rybka.
2. It is not a clone of Rybka 3, it is a clone of next version of Rybka.
3. It can not be the result of reverse engeneering. It was made from original sources of Rybka.

"Vasik Rajlich: "There was an open-"source" (using the term loosely) clone of Rybka 3 released in the spring. Unlike the last time, there was no real attempt to hide the cloning - the hackers were even kind enough to keep me updated via email".
You can't both be right, or can you?

Both can be right if the clone released in the spring was not Ippolit.

I understand that Ippolit was first released in the Spring.

[Rolf]

what a convoluted bit of reasoning. I would not (a) accuse someone of cheating and then (b) expect them to act courteously to my accusation and help me investigate that claim. That line of reasoning would never occur to me. Nor to most others. Once you accuse someone of cheating, the relationship immediately becomes adversarial. And it is unlikely to change for a good while after that.

Excuse me Bob, is this now about Kasparov vs IBMDB2 or Hyatt vs Rajlich??

(Just for the younger readers among the members, Bob with another older ex-top programmer accused Vas of taking code out of Fruit and when I asked for details Bob claimed that Vas should explain that what he had done and after Vas didnt show up Bob announced that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. My question now why should Vas show his arguments if Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him already? Now read again what Bob is writing in this message above. You got it?)

[Matthias Gemuh]

(Just for the younger readers among the members, Bob with another older ex-top programmer accused Vas of taking code out of Fruit and when I asked for details Bob claimed that Vas should explain that what he had done and after Vas didnt show up Bob announced that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. My question now why should Vas show his arguments if Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him already? Now read again what Bob is writing in this message above. You got it?)

Why did Vas not show up ?

... because Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him ?

When ? Where ?

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