Thoughts...

[Rolf]

(Just for the younger readers among the members, Bob with another older ex-top programmer accused Vas of taking code out of Fruit and when I asked for details Bob claimed that Vas should explain that what he had done and after Vas didnt show up Bob announced that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. My question now why should Vas show his arguments if Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him already? Now read again what Bob is writing in this message above. You got it?)

Why did Vas not show up ?

... because Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him ?

When ? Where ?

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Well, that was the beginning of the campaign on CCC. I was there at the time and imediately asked how could this be written without evidence. Approx. 2 years ago. (Christophe, quoted badly from my own memory: "If I had not had a moral education that forbid me to rob THEN I could also have made such a performance like Rybka, but somehow I just cant do it...!")

Is that doing it if you want to know if there were insults of the meanest sort and prejudice against Vas? BTW I repeated this outrageous insult several times and always stayed without answers or Bob drifted the topic by asking back why I would now introduce Theron into the debate. Therefore I begged Bob now to consider if a new ethical approach in computerchess should be installed. Such a diffamating should never more happen what was done against Vas. All IMO of course.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

(Just for the younger readers among the members, Bob with another older ex-top programmer accused Vas of taking code out of Fruit and when I asked for details Bob claimed that Vas should explain that what he had done and after Vas didnt show up Bob announced that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. My question now why should Vas show his arguments if Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him already? Now read again what Bob is writing in this message above. You got it?)

Why did Vas not show up ?

... because Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him ?

When ? Where ?

.

Well, that was the beginning of the campaign on CCC. I was there at the time and imediately asked how could this be written without evidence. Approx. 2 years ago. (Christophe, quoted badly from my own memory: "If I had not had a moral education that forbid me to rob THEN I could also have made such a performance like Rybka, but somehow I just cant do it...!")

Is that doing it if you want to know if there were insults of the meanest sort and prejudice against Vas? BTW I repeated this outrageous insult several times and always stayed without answers or Bob drifted the topic by asking back why I would now introduce Theron into the debate. Therefore I begged Bob now to consider if a new ethical approach in computerchess should be installed. Such a diffamating should never more happen what was done against Vas. All IMO of course.

Aha,so you do know what does this word means and you use it when you benifit from it....evidence....so should your prophet when he points fingers at other people's achievements claiming that they're his stolen work
Double standards are not welcomed in no way Rolf....
What goes around,comes around regards,
Dr.D

[Rolf]

You wrote this as reply on a factual posting without any personal attacks or "Stupid and evil critics".

Hi A. Schmidt,

please come back to your senses, most of what you read was not what I have written. Look at the example above, critics can be a critic you write about something or also noun if you are a critic in a journal. So what I wrote is meant as the noun, and it's pluralis, so by definition it cannot be about yourself alone. Also the rest of your quote above where you claim that you wrote a factual post without personal attacks.

Alexander please believe me what I say now. Either you miss it or you do it intentionally, but the way how you speak about the "clones" from dark venue from people without names, is in itself insultive accusatory towards Vas. Is that totally slipping through your attention? Here I dont need to read between the lines because you repeat it over and over again. In truth it's like a mantra for you. a) the human rights of anonymous people which is a joke of a special sort and b) that Vas has not yet shown proof. b) is true but I repeat, if he has convinced for example ChessBase then that will be sufficient, no? Or do you believe they wont have asked him before they forbid these clones?

Again, that Vas told you that some day in future he will tell us more, this is his way of saying something positive. Instead of the lame "No, not yet". But in real it means the same. That's all what I wanted to tell you. Overall it's good that you tried to contact him. I did the same yesterday.

If you still have deeper problems with me, please contact me via PM or email. I dont want to have such a tension between me and someone else.

And finally, honestly also this is telling if you misunderstood my little bombasm under my pic. Can you spell my pic?

[DomLeste]

This subject is a slippery slope as usual going nowhere.

Remember 35% of heart attacks happen during the holiday season people So lighten up alittle or either this stress will kill you or the junk you eat will.

"When you're deluded, every statement is an ulcer; when you're enlightened, every word is wisdom." - Zhiqu

[Rolf]

Aha,so you do know

Please decide whom you are taking into focus. Here is Rolf not Vas. Anonymously I had 4 stars while Vas had only three. Just try to be nice at least to me.

[bob]

what a convoluted bit of reasoning. I would not (a) accuse someone of cheating and then (b) expect them to act courteously to my accusation and help me investigate that claim. That line of reasoning would never occur to me. Nor to most others. Once you accuse someone of cheating, the relationship immediately becomes adversarial. And it is unlikely to change for a good while after that.

Excuse me Bob, is this now about Kasparov vs IBMDB2 or Hyatt vs Rajlich??

Take some pills or something. Whatever you need to keep your attention span at some reasonable level. _you_ brought up deep blue. This was about IBM/DB vs Kasparov, To refresh your memory, your post started off with this:

Sorry, I have to disagree. If it was a serious experiment i the eyes of the US side then the team always had the occasion and duty to redirect Kasparov on track. Yes, perhaps he gambled and asked for too much but the team had no ther chance than to agree because without his cooperation a real result couldnt be obtained.

(Just for the younger readers among the members, Bob with another older ex-top programmer accused Vas of taking code out of Fruit and when I asked for details Bob claimed that Vas should explain that what he had done and after Vas didnt show up Bob announced that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. My question now why should Vas show his arguments if Bob&Theron have prejudiced & insulted him already? Now read again what Bob is writing in this message above. You got it?)

[/quote]

Maybe take a double-dose after that. Bob did _not_ announce that he will continue endlessly to ask the same questions. I challenge you to find one such quote from me. I have said that these questions _will_ be asked continuously, as they have been for months. And _not_ by me. I didn't start a _single_ one of these threads...

Evidence has been presented, in significant quantities, showing code from fruit exists in Rybka 1. Eventually someone accused of wrongdoing has to stand up and admit it, or explain why the claim is false and show some counter-evidence. We have eye-witnesses. So someone has to step up and offer a reasonable explanation of why/how this happened. There's no question about whether or not it _did_ happen. Only about why/how it happened. Someone has died. Now the question remaining is "was it premeditated murder, was it manslaughter, or was it somehow an accidental death." No way of answering that without some input from Vas.

[Alexander Schmidt]

Just wondering. At the moment several Ippo threads pop up with personal comments. Even a "To the moderation" thread. I see no reason to delete a thread with a factual question and allow a "To the moderation" thread.

Or must I have the same opinion as you, Steve, to not get deleted?

[bob]

Just wondering. At the moment several Ippo threads pop up with personal comments. Even a "To the moderation" thread. I see no reason to delete a thread with a factual question and allow a "To the moderation" thread.

Or must I have the same opinion as you, Steve, to not get deleted?

he's saying that it is not reasonable to ask a question, then start another thread to ask it again, and another thread to ask it again. Once is enough. Didn't think he meant to be confrontational or anything, just trying to limit volume and duplication.

[Steve B]

Just wondering. At the moment several Ippo threads pop up with personal comments. Even a "To the moderation" thread. I see no reason to delete a thread with a factual question and allow a "To the moderation" thread.

Or must I have the same opinion as you, Steve, to not get deleted?

you are welcome to send in a complaint about any post/thread you think is in violation of the charter
the mods will discuss the complaint as we do with every complaint we receive and we will action or close that complaint once discussed
speaking of the Charter..you have agreed to be bound by the decision of the mods for each mod action
this is now the third time you bring up the one thread we deleted which you created which asked the same question for the third time
complaints came in that you were spamming the board
we agreed and removed the thread
you and i shared several Pm's regarding it and now we are discussing it in several posts/threads
get over it Alexander..
in less then a months time there will be new mod elections
personally i hope you run and win
i would enjoy watching your great moderation skills in action

Steve

[Werewolf]

Aha,so you do know

Please decide whom you are taking into focus. Here is Rolf not Vas. Anonymously I had 4 stars while Vas had only three. Just try to be nice at least to me.

Rolf, I am fairly new to this forum, relatively speaking. But I have noticed that almost _EVERY_ post you make clouds the issue that is being discussed. I wish you'd stop doing this because it makes people like me just want to go somewhere else, or skip your posts.