Frayer's opinion expressed at the Rybka forum....

[mariaclara]

hahahahaha

Rolf wrote:
The fact that someone "claimed" something does not substantiate something substantial as such as existing entity.

[gerold]

Yeah,a real gentleman,that's why he didn't release Rybka 3+ as he promised....after that,any action is taken or a word spoken from this gentleman is second-gussed Rolf if you are at the same level of intelligence or more than a first grader....Dr.D

That is totally true! I just read that Vas planned to publish directly a Rybka 5 before he would ever have released the version of Rybka 4. Deep, if Vas does that, then I can assure you, he's for me completely out. Then I will refuse every attempts of the Ralichs to adopt me as their official speaker. I couldnt do this as experienced mathematician. If he cant even hold his numbers under control. Deep, please help me, what can I do? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHo let the cat out of the bag. Of course 5 is being worked on.

[slobo]

I have the full source code of RobboLito and of Strelka (that was claimed to be a clone of Rybka).
Furthermore, Strelka helped prove the opensource ancestory of Rybka.
FYI, the source codes prove that RobboLito is not a clone of Rybka.

How can they prove that? Strelka code is equal to Rybka 1 code while Robbolito is claimed to be a Rybka 3 clone.

It's also a beancounter myth to report that Strelka proved any ancestory at all of Rybka. The fact that someone "claimed" something does not substantiate something substantial as such as existing entity. However it's (the claim, not the entity) something relevant for legally relevant issues. If however there are no such legal issues then all this is totally uninteresting. It means nothing. Literally nothing. Osipov is a noname not authentic. Only with his authenticity the whole topic would get a different meaning - if ever.

Therefore it's beyond me why now the Robb thing from also unknown people should be existing like a real program from decent and honest programmers. No, if we accept this it will destroy the climate of the whole computerchess world.

This is not a "beancounter myth" as you would like it to be. It is an absolute statement of fact.

As far as the Robo* issue, all that has to happen is for Vas to provide evidence that the program is reverse-engineered from Rybka. And all of the Robo* talk will go away. But the silence is deafening, and by the same token of fairness, one can not ostracise Robo* with no evidence to support that action. And we have absolutely nothing other than a single statement by the author of Rybka that it is a clone, with no evidence of any kind to support that.

THis is true. We have the word of a decent gentlemen against still unknown chess cyber terrorists who want to destroy computerchess sport. For you as our patron no problem?

And also good that you repeat the other topic as alleged fact. Bob are you sure that you have seen from both prgrams the source code?

(...)
Best, Rolf

How many times does Bob need to repeat to you the same thing?
It seems you do not consider him a gentleman.
Obviously, for you he is not so much gentleman as Vas is.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

hahahahaha

Rolf wrote:
The fact that someone "claimed" something does not substantiate something substantial as such as existing entity.

Rolf is getting old Marie,we all will at a certain point of time
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Yeah,a real gentleman,that's why he didn't release Rybka 3+ as he promised....after that,any action is taken or a word spoken from this gentleman is second-gussed Rolf if you are at the same level of intelligence or more than a first grader....Dr.D

That is totally true! I just read that Vas planned to publish directly a Rybka 5 before he would ever have released the version of Rybka 4. Deep, if Vas does that, then I can assure you, he's for me completely out. Then I will refuse every attempts of the Ralichs to adopt me as their official speaker. I couldnt do this as experienced mathematician. If he cant even hold his numbers under control. Deep, please help me, what can I do? HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No one can help you Grandpa,you're totaly out of your mind and it's obvious to all the menbers of our forum....first you were a phychologist,now you're claiming that you're a mathematician,you're begining to sound more like Vasik with his Rybka 3+ release....a total farce....
Dr.D

[Osipov Jury]

Sorry for Russian.

Господа!
Если кому-то что-то не нравится в действиях Васика, моих, или кого-то еще, то стыдно и недостойно ограничиваться обсуждением этих вопросов на форуме, не вставая с дивана. Настоящее мужество - подать иск в суд и отстаивать там свою правоту. Так поступают настоящие мужчины, и главное - только так можно добиться результата. А тявкать из подворотни, не неся никакой ответственности за свои слова, и не достигая ничего, кроме удовлетворения своего тщеславия - просто элементарная трусость.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Sorry for Russian.

Господа!
Если кому-то что-то не нравится в действиях Васика, моих, или кого-то еще, то стыдно и недостойно ограничиваться обсуждением этих вопросов на форуме, не вставая с дивана. Настоящее мужество - подать иск в суд и отстаивать там свою правоту. Так поступают настоящие мужчины, и главное - только так можно добиться результата. А тявкать из подворотни, не неся никакой ответственности за свои слова, и не достигая ничего, кроме удовлетворения своего тщеславия - просто элементарная трусость.

And who will pay for the court and the attorney Jury

[Rolf]

You miss the key legal point. "Truth is the absolute defence against claims of libel/slander." One needs to address two points. (1) were the statements made truthful and can they be proven? (yes).

There you go again. I say No!

a) the Rybka 1 beta was a private thing sent to friends via email in all openess.

b) would you explain to this court, that you want to insinuate that Mr. Rajlich opened a code of his private program, that he had fizzled in a couple of days to give them an impression of his fantastic genius? (No, Sir, I do not.)

c) That R 1 beta then was distributed for free

I am running out of time. So what do you want to prove?

Sir, couldnt we torture a bit, so that he admits?

Sir! We are in the USA and in our Country there is no such thing existing like torture.

I order a penal sum of 550 $$ otherwise 1 week Saint Quentin where the famous chessman once lived.

Officer, accompany this man out of the Court. Uhm, Mr. Rajlich, I have a son who plays chess, could you give me an autograph with a picture of your wife and you, the two international Chessmasters?

Of course and please take this Fish for tonight, judge, it's my newest version of the famous Wch program. All authentic code of course. And for you, Sir, here is a lifelong serial number for an account on my International Servers. You will live over the Clouds from now on. And thanks for that fair procedere. As I always say, keep it fair and KISS.

etc. etc.

And if they are still alive

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

You miss the key legal point. "Truth is the absolute defence against claims of libel/slander." One needs to address two points. (1) were the statements made truthful and can they be proven? (yes).

There you go again. I say No!

a) the Rybka 1 beta was a private thing sent to friends via email in all openess.

b) would you explain to this court, that you want to insinuate that Mr. Rajlich opened a code of his private program, that he had fizzled in a couple of days to give them an impression of his fantastic genius? (No, Sir, I do not.)

c) That R 1 beta then was distributed for free

I am running out of time. So what do you want to prove?

Sir, couldnt we torture a bit, so that he admits?

Sir! We are in the USA and in our Country there is no such thing existing like torture.

I order a penal sum of 550 $$ otherwise 1 week Saint Quentin where the famous chessman once lived.

Officer, accompany this man out of the Court. Uhm, Mr. Rajlich, I have a son who plays chess, could you give me an autograph with a picture of your wife and you, the two international Chessmasters?

Of course and please take this Fish for tonight, judge, it's my newest version of the famous Wch program. All authentic code of course. And for you, Sir, here is a lifelong serial number for an account on my International Servers. You will live over the Clouds from now on. And thanks for that fair procedere. As I always say, keep it fair and KISS.

etc. etc.

And if they are still alive

I was suspecious and frankly speaking a little bit concerned about your mental health Rolf,but now I am sure that you're totaly out of your mind....
Dr.D

[gerold]

Do you plan on an update to your program in 2010.

Best.

Gerold.