Robbolito 0.09 New Edition VS Rybka 3

[Alexander Schmidt]

But he did not answer one of my questions.

Not quite correct, he said it is Rybka 3. But thats not true as you found out.

[Graham Banks]

Fair enough. As I keep repeating, people will believe what they want to believe, no matter who says what.

I do not believe what I want, but what I see.

I would be happy if I could believe VR.

But he did not answer one of my questions.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... 204064;hl=

And there are questions which he could answer without harming himself...

I'll agree with you that Vas should have said more. Might have avoided a lot of the mess that has ensued.

Cheers,
Graham.

[Rolf]

Fair enough. As I keep repeating, people will believe what they want to believe, no matter who says what.

I do not believe what I want, but what I see.

I would be happy if I could believe VR.

But he did not answer one of my questions.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... 204064;hl=

And there are questions which he could answer without harming himself...

Dont you see the darkness of your hole? For your vision it would help if you also considered the honesty of people. Whom do you believe more, Vas or the cloner addict? Is that for you really a question??? Come back to your senses. Correct your vision please. Ok, sorry, no, I never was a Wch myself in computerchess. So, just spit on me, but correct your vision on Vas.

[Graham Banks]

But he did not answer one of my questions.

Not quite correct, he said it is Rybka 3. But thats not true as you found out.

"It is not Rybka 3, but it is Rybka" was what I said.
It's basically Rybka 3 modified. I must admit I wondered if it was from a later version at the time though.

[bnemias]

So exactly what justification can be given for Vas _not_ providing some clear-cut examples of identical code? I can't think of a single valid explanation, unless Robo is not really a clone.

I can think of a few.

- He doesn't care if CCC thinks its a clone or not.
- He sees the debate as beneficial to him.
- He's focusing on other things.
- He sees clearly that providing proof won't help.

For that last point, recall the strelka/fruit/rybka issue. Proof was provided and did little to accomplish anything. Witness also the recent debates here, how some live in their little world with certain laws. The laws are unchanging, regardless of evidence to the contrary-- the evidence deconstructs their world-view, and they can't cope with that.

[Rolf]

Fair enough. As I keep repeating, people will believe what they want to believe, no matter who says what.

I do not believe what I want, but what I see.

I would be happy if I could believe VR.

But he did not answer one of my questions.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... 204064;hl=

And there are questions which he could answer without harming himself...

I'll agree with you that Vas should have said more. Might have avoided a lot of the mess that has ensued.

Cheers,
Graham.

I disagree, Vas is unable to fight or change the general stupidity of man as such. He also has a life.

[Graham Banks]

Fair enough. As I keep repeating, people will believe what they want to believe, no matter who says what.

I do not believe what I want, but what I see.

I would be happy if I could believe VR.

But he did not answer one of my questions.

http://rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybkaforu ... 204064;hl=

And there are questions which he could answer without harming himself...

Dont you see the darkness of your hole? For your vision it would help if you also considered the honesty of people. Whom do you believe more, Vas or the cloner addict? Is that for you really a question??? Come back to your senses. Correct your vision please. Ok, sorry, no, I never was a Wch myself in computerchess. So, just spit on me, but correct your vision on Vas.

Alexander is a good and genuine person, as are many others who are yet to be convinced.

[Alexander Schmidt]

I'll agree with you that Vas should have said more. Might have avoided a lot of the mess that has ensued.

It's not too late, and I would have no problem to beg for an excuse

BTW, I never said Robbo is not a clone. I just say it don't look like one to me. And VR should not accuse someone of cloning without showing a proof or at least details beside "They informed me by email". Maybe it was someone else? I don't know, and it might be possible that even VR is not sure.

Cheers,
Alex

[Alexander Schmidt]

crap

Ah Rolf, I had such a nice conversation with Graham...

[Rolf]

So exactly what justification can be given for Vas _not_ providing some clear-cut examples of identical code? I can't think of a single valid explanation, unless Robo is not really a clone.

I can think of a few.

- He doesn't care if CCC thinks its a clone or not.
- He sees the debate as beneficial to him.
- He's focusing on other things.
- He sees clearly that providing proof won't help.

For that last point, recall the strelka/fruit/rybka issue. Proof was provided and did little to accomplish anything. Witness also the recent debates here, how some live in their little world with certain laws. The laws are unchanging, regardless of evidence to the contrary-- the evidence deconstructs their world-view, and they can't cope with that.

Hear hear! Thanks. Rolf