Toby-Tal / Alexander's test positions

[CRoberson]

Here's the positions with Toby / Rybka / Robboxxx .09

7K/8/2Q1Q3/1Q3Q2/3k4/1Q3Q2/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
1R3B1K/N1N5/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/N1N5/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Bg7 / Na3b5 / Bg7
1R3B1K/N7/2Q1Q3/5Q1R/3k4/1Q3Q2/2Q1Q3/R6R w -- Bg7 / Nb5 / Bg7
1R3B1K/8/2Q1Q3/B6R/3k4/6B1/2Q1Q3/R1B4R w - - Bg7 / Qcd1 / Bg7
1R5K/8/2Q1Q3/B6R/3k4/6B1/2Q1Q3/R1B4R w - - Rd8 / Qcd1 / Rd8
1R5K/8/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R1B1B2R w - - Rd8 / Qcd1 / Rd8
1R4RK/8/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Rgd8 / Qcd1 / Rgd8
7K/8/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7K/8/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R7 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7B/6K1/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Kg8 / Qcd1 / Kg8
6KB/8/2Q1Q3/2R1R3/3k4/2R1R3/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7k/8/8/8/8/3p4/1K6/8 w - - Kc3 / Kc3 / Kc3
8/7k/5P2/8/8/8/1K6/8 w - - Kc3 / Kc3 / f7

Hope this doesn't mean a big " ut-oh "

Like I said , if this is a clone of the clone , I'm sorry.......... at least I paid money for it..........

As I have explained in another thread, these positions only test move ordering. As such, they are not conclusive. They are very
suggestive. These results say that it might be a copy of Ippo/Robbo... and somebody needs to test that.

Based on what I read on the vendor's web page, he may not know if it is or isn't a clone. Should he be informed at this time? IDK. It is
too early to prove anything. If it is proven, then his programmer has much to answer for and he may have to refund the money to his customers.

This makes me wonder if the GUI needs inspecting. It looks a bit like another GUI.

[michiguel]

id author Various Sources

The authors are Milton Friedman, Adam Smith, and Ronald Reagan.
Same as Robbo, but charging money.

Miguel

[sockmonkey]

id author Various Sources

The authors are Milton Friedman, Adam Smith, and Ronald Reagan.
Same as Robbo, but charging money.

Miguel

!!

[michiguel]

Here's the positions with Toby / Rybka / Robboxxx .09

7K/8/2Q1Q3/1Q3Q2/3k4/1Q3Q2/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
1R3B1K/N1N5/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/N1N5/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Bg7 / Na3b5 / Bg7
1R3B1K/N7/2Q1Q3/5Q1R/3k4/1Q3Q2/2Q1Q3/R6R w -- Bg7 / Nb5 / Bg7
1R3B1K/8/2Q1Q3/B6R/3k4/6B1/2Q1Q3/R1B4R w - - Bg7 / Qcd1 / Bg7
1R5K/8/2Q1Q3/B6R/3k4/6B1/2Q1Q3/R1B4R w - - Rd8 / Qcd1 / Rd8
1R5K/8/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R1B1B2R w - - Rd8 / Qcd1 / Rd8
1R4RK/8/2Q1Q3/7R/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Rgd8 / Qcd1 / Rgd8
7K/8/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R6R w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7K/8/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/R7 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7B/6K1/2Q1Q3/8/3k4/8/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Kg8 / Qcd1 / Kg8
6KB/8/2Q1Q3/2R1R3/3k4/2R1R3/2Q1Q3/8 w - - Qed7 / Qcd1 / Qed7
7k/8/8/8/8/3p4/1K6/8 w - - Kc3 / Kc3 / Kc3
8/7k/5P2/8/8/8/1K6/8 w - - Kc3 / Kc3 / f7

Hope this doesn't mean a big " ut-oh "

Like I said , if this is a clone of the clone , I'm sorry.......... at least I paid money for it..........

As I have explained in another thread, these positions only test move ordering. As such, they are not conclusive. They are very
suggestive. These results say that it might be a copy of Ippo/Robbo... and somebody needs to test that.

Based on what I read on the vendor's web page, he may not know if it is or isn't a clone. Should he be informed at this time? IDK. It is
too early to prove anything. If it is proven, then his programmer has much to answer for and he may have to refund the money to his customers.

The irony is that this may not be illegal. Robb/Ipp have a license? if it is public domain, they may not even need to provide source code like GPL. They provide a product that does what they say it should.

But.... if robbo copy something from any other engine X, now Tobbo can be sued for copying from engine X...

This is a sad soap opera.

Miguel

This makes me wonder if the GUI needs inspecting. It looks a bit like another GUI.

[Matthias Gemuh]

The irony is that this may not be illegal. Robb/Ipp have a license? if it is public domain, they may not even need to provide source code like GPL. They provide a product that does what they say it should.

But.... if robbo copy something from any other engine X, now Tobbo can be sued for copying from engine X...

This is a sad soap opera.

Miguel

RobboLito is released under GPL.
This means TobboLito-Tal should come with source code.

Matthias.

[CRoberson]

The irony is that this may not be illegal. Robb/Ipp have a license? if it is public domain, they may not even need to provide source code like GPL. They provide a product that does what they say it should.

But.... if robbo copy something from any other engine X, now Tobbo can be sued for copying from engine X...

This is a sad soap opera.

Miguel

RobboLito is released under GPL.
This means TobboLito-Tal should come with source code.

Matthias.

I looked over the versions of Ippo and Robbo that I have. They do NOT have any statement of licensing at all in the code.

I made the point yesterday in another thread that this "secret society" did not think things through. They have given everybody
free code to sale. What a slap in the face that is.

However, if they cloned then anybody cloning them has problems!

[Matthias Gemuh]

RobboLito is released under GPL.
This means TobboLito-Tal should come with source code.

Matthias.

I looked over the versions of Ippo and Robbo that I have. They do NOT have any statement of licensing at all in the code.

I made the point yesterday in another thread that this "secret society" did not think things through. They have given everybody
free code to sale. What a slap in the face that is.

However, if they cloned then anybody cloning them has problems!

At least Norman's Robbos for Windows are GPL-ed.

.

[alpha123]

RobboLito is released under GPL.
This means TobboLito-Tal should come with source code.

Matthias.

I looked over the versions of Ippo and Robbo that I have. They do NOT have any statement of licensing at all in the code.

I made the point yesterday in another thread that this "secret society" did not think things through. They have given everybody
free code to sale. What a slap in the face that is.

However, if they cloned then anybody cloning them has problems!

At least Norman's Robbos for Windows are GPL-ed.

.

Well, they have a lot of changes, like correctly working ponder and others.

id author Various Sources

ROFL......

Sorry that just made me laugh hysterically,
Peter

[Graham Banks]

I see that the TobyChess guy has just signed up here at talkchess, so it will be interesting to hear what he has to say.

[Andre van Ark]

id author Various Sources

ROFL......

Sorry that just made me laugh hysterically,
Peter[/quote]

Pissing_my_pants_too_regards
André