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Find: Nd5!!

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[d] r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

How long does your engine/favorite engine take to find Nd5!
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Roman Hartmann
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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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On my rather old AMD XP1800+ (1.533Ghz) it takes Ruffian 2.1 with 128Mb of hash a bit more than a minute to come up with Nd5.

Roman

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  11-->  13.26   1.19    Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Na7 Qc7 gxf6 Bxf6 Nb5 Qd8 e5 Bxe5
  12/26  14.93     ++    Bxb5    
  12/31  18.93   1.49    Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rg8 h4 Rg7 Qc4 Qa5 gxf6 Rxg1
                         Rxg1 Bxf6
  12-->  29.42   1.49    Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rg8 h4 Rg7 Qc4 Qa5 gxf6 Rxg1
                         Rxg1 Bxf6
  13/31  35.99   1.48    Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rg8 h4 Rg7 Qd3 Qa5 gxf6 Rxg1
                         Rxg1 Bxf6
  13/31   1:10   x.xx    Nd5    
  13/31   1:28     ++    Nd5    
  13/31   1:30   1.84    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Rg8 Bxb5 Qa5 a4 Rb8 b4 Qc7 gxf6
                         Rxg1 Rxg1 Nxf6
  13-->   1:30   1.84    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Rg8 Bxb5 Qa5 a4 Rb8 b4 Qc7 gxf6
                         Rxg1 Rxg1 Nxf6
  14/32   1:55   1.74    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Qd7 Bd3 Qh3 Bxb5 fxg5 Bxg5 Bxg5
                         Rxg5 Rg8 Rxg8+ Kxg8 Rf2 Qh5 Bd7
  14-->   2:43   1.74    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Qd7 Bd3 Qh3 Bxb5 fxg5 Bxg5 Bxg5
                         Rxg5 Rg8 Rxg8+ Kxg8 Rf2 Qh5 Bd7
  15/34   3:44   1.64    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Qd7 Bd3 Qh3 Rg3 Qxh2 Qg4 fxg5
                         Rh3 f5 Bxf5 Nf6
  15-->   8:38   1.64    Nd5 Bxd5 exd5 e5 Qe4 Qd7 Bd3 Qh3 Rg3 Qxh2 Qg4 fxg5
                         Rh3 f5 Bxf5 Nf6
  16/37  12:00     ++    Nd5  
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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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5: r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3Q
r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 20.14 w32 cb:

1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.gxf6 Bxf6 4.Qd3 Rg8 5.Rxg8+ Kxg8 6.Bd4 e5 7.Qg3+ Ng7 8.Qf3 Rb8 9.Qxf6 Qxf6 10.Rxf6 Rxb5 
  +/-  (1.19)   Depth: 14/32   00:00:12  61764kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.gxf6 Bxf6 4.Qd3 Rg8 5.Rxg8+ Kxg8 6.Bd4 e5 7.Rg1+ Kh8 8.Qg3 
  +/-  (1.09)   Depth: 15/35   00:00:23  118mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.h4 Rb8 4.a4 e5 5.Qd5 Qd7 6.Bd2 Qd8 7.Ka1 Qb6 8.h5 Rb7 
  +/-  (1.17)   Depth: 16/40   00:00:51  271mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Ka1 a5 5.h4 Rb4 6.Qd3 fxg5 7.a3 Rb7 8.Bxg5 Qb6 9.Bxe7 Rxe7 
  +/-  (1.11)   Depth: 17/42   00:01:44  553mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Ka1 a5 5.h4 Rb4 6.Qd1 fxg5 7.hxg5 a4 8.a3 Rc4 9.Qh5 Ng7 
  +/-  (1.07)   Depth: 18/46   00:04:13  1361mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Ka1 a5 5.h4 Rb4 6.Qd2 a4 7.a3 Rc4 8.Qe2 Qc7 9.Qh5 Ng7 10.Qh6 
  +/-  (1.08)   Depth: 19/46   00:09:25  3064mN

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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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5: r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3Q
r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Crafty 23.01:

1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.gxf6 Bxf6 4.Qd3 Rb8 5.Ba7 Rc8 6.Bd4 Rc6 7.Qf3 Be5 8.Bxe5+ dxe5 
  +/-  (1.26)   Depth: 14/27   00:00:01  10206kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.gxf6 Bxf6 4.Qd3 Rb8 5.Ba7 Rc8 6.Bd4 Rc6 7.Qf3 Be5 8.Bxe5+ dxe5 
  +/-  (1.26)   Depth: 15/29   00:00:03  18767kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a5 3.gxf6 Bxf6 4.Qd3 Rb8 5.Ba7 Rc8 6.Bd4 Bxd4 7.Qxd4+ f6 8.Na7 Rc5 9.Rg3 
  +/-  (1.26)   Depth: 16/32   00:00:07  40337kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Na3 e5 4.Qd2 Rc8 5.h4 Ra8 6.gxf6 Nxf6 7.Qd3 d5 8.Bh6 Rg8 9.Rxg8+ Nxg8 
  +/-  (1.27)   Depth: 17/32   00:00:12  70846kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Na3 Rg8 4.Nc4 Rc8 5.h4 Rc7 6.gxf6 Bxf6 7.Rxg8+ Kxg8 8.Qd3 Rb7 9.Rg1+ Kh8 10.Bd4 Ng7 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 18/34   00:00:21  127mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Na3 Rc8 4.h4 Qc7 5.Ka1 Rb8 6.Nc4 Rg8 7.Bd2 Rg6 8.b3 Rg8 9.Ba5 Qc5 10.Qxc5 dxc5 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 19/38   00:00:42  259mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Na3 Rc8 4.h4 Qc7 5.Ka1 Rg8 6.Nb1 Rg7 7.Nc3 Qc4 8.Qxc4 Rxc4 9.Rd1 fxg5 10.hxg5 f6 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 20/37   00:01:11  432mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Na3 e5 4.Qd2 fxg5 5.Bxg5 Bxg5 6.Rxg5 Qe7 7.Qe3 Rc8 8.Rgf5 f6 9.Qh6 Rg8 10.Ka1 Rg6 11.Qh5 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 21/38   00:02:49  1022mN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Rf3 Rg8 5.Rgf1 Rg6 6.h4 Qa5 7.h5 Rg8 8.gxf6 Bd8 9.h6 Rb4 10.Qa7 Qa3 11.b3 Nc7 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 22/46   00:06:03  2187mN
1.Nd5 e5 2.gxf6 Bxf6 3.Nxf6 exd4 4.Bxd4 Nxf6 5.Rxf6 Qb6 6.Bxb6 axb6 7.Bd3 Rae8 8.Rxd6 Bxe4 9.Bxe4 Rxe4 10.Rxb6 Re2 11.Rxb5 Rxh2 
  +-  (1.64)   Depth: 22/48   00:12:28  1007mN

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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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5: r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3Q
r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

Analysis by Fruit 2.2.1:

1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 e5 3.Qd2 Rb8 4.Qd3 fxg5 5.Bxa7 Rb7 6.Be3 Qa5 
  +/-  (1.28)   Depth: 11/30   00:00:02  2153kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.h4 Rg8 5.h5 Qa5 6.b3 Rc8 7.gxf6 Rxg1 8.Bxg1 
  +/-  (1.22)   Depth: 12/30   00:00:05  5005kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.h4 Rg8 5.gxf6 Bxf6 6.Rxg8+ Kxg8 7.Qa7 Qc8 8.Rg1+ Ng7 9.Bd4 Rb7 
  +/-  (1.28)   Depth: 13/30   00:00:11  9665kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Rg3 Rg8 5.Rgf3 Rg6 6.h4 Qa5 7.Qa7 Qb4 8.b3 fxg5 9.Rxf7 
  +/-  (1.23)   Depth: 14/36   00:00:20  18074kN
1.Bxb5 Bxb5 2.Nxb5 a6 3.Nc3 Rb8 4.Rg3 Rg8 5.Rgf3 a5 6.Qa7 Rg7 7.h4 fxg5 8.hxg5 Bxg5 9.Rxf7 Bxe3 10.Qxe3 
  +/-  (1.23)   Depth: 15/39   00:00:39  35831kN
1.Nxb5 e5 2.Qc4 Bxb5 3.Qxb5 fxg5 4.Qb7 Nc7 5.h4 Ne6 6.hxg5 Bxg5 7.Bxa7 Nf4 8.Ba6 Qe7 9.Qxe7 Bxe7 
  +/-  (1.25)   Depth: 15/39   00:00:53  47286kN

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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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almost 2 minutes here:

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               21    41.24   1.25   1. Bxb5 Bxb5 2. Nxb5 a6 3. Na3 Rg8
                                    4. Nc4 Rg7 5. h4 fxg5 6. hxg5 Kg8 7.
                                    Rg4 Rc8 8. Rfg1 Rc5 9. b3 Rb5 10. a4
                                    Rc5 11. e5 (s=4)
               21     1:53   1.63   1. Nd5 e5 2. gxf6 Bxf6 3. Nxf6 exd4
                                    4. Bxd4 Ng7 5. Nxh7 Qe7 6. Nxf8 Qxf8
                                    7. Bxg7+ Qxg7 8. Rxg7 Kxg7 9. Bh5 Rf8
                                    10. Bf3 Rc8 11. Rd1 Re8 12. Rxd6 Bxe4
                                    13. Bxe4 Rxe4
               21->   1:53   1.63   1. Nd5 e5 2. gxf6 Bxf6 3. Nxf6 exd4
                                    4. Bxd4 Ng7 5. Nxh7 Qe7 6. Nxf8 Qxf8
                                    7. Bxg7+ Qxg7 8. Rxg7 Kxg7 9. Bh5 Rf8
                                    10. Bf3 Rc8 11. Rd1 Re8 12. Rxd6 Bxe4
                                    13. Bxe4 Rxe4 (s=2)
               22     2:16   1.61   1. Nd5 e5 2. gxf6 Bxf6 3. Nxf6 exd4
                                    4. Bxd4 Nxf6 5. Rxf6 Qb6 6. Bxb6 axb6
                                    7. Bd3 Rae8 8. Rxd6 Bxe4 9. Bxe4 Rxe4
                                    10. Rxb6 Re2 11. Rxb5 Rxh2
              time=2:40  mat=-1  n=3822281158  fh=92%  nps=23.7M
              extensions=106.9M qchecks=100.2M reduced=421.6M pruned=1782.4M
              predicted=0  evals=1516.0M  50move=0  EGTBprobes=0  hits=0
              SMP->  splits=300337  aborts=37221  data=43/512  elap=2:40
terminating SMP processes.
White(1): Nd5
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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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swami wrote:[d] r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

How long does your engine/favorite engine take to find Nd5!
Stockfish-1.6.2-mSD7 (8 threads) gets it in 4 seconds.

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Searching: r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - -
infinite: 0 ponder: 0 time: 0 increment: 0 moves to go: 0
 2     +2.06   00:00      632 Nxb5 e5 
 3     +1.98   00:00     1406 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 
 4     +1.90   00:00     2431 Nxb5 a6 gxf6 Nxf6 
 4     +2.10   00:00     3356 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 
 5     +2.02   00:00     4133 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 gxf6 Nxf6 
 6  <  +1.74   00:00     6293 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 gxf6 Bxf6 
 7     +1.74   00:00    15844 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rb8 h4 e5 
 8     +1.70   00:00    45246 Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rb8 h4 Rb7 gxf6 Nxf6 Qa4 
                              Qb8 
 8     +2.02   00:00    74102 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 a5 h4 Rc8 Qa7 fxg5 hxg5 
 9     +1.86   00:00   216869 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 a5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 Rb8 gxf6 Bxf6 Qc4 
                              Rg8 
10     +1.86   00:00   259581 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 a5 Bb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 Rb8 gxf6 Bxf6 Qc4 
                              Rg8 
11  >  +2.06   00:00   523034 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 a5 gxf6 Bxf6 Qd2 Rg8 Bh5 
12     +1.82   00:00    1132k Nxb5 a6 Nc3 a5 gxf6 Bxf6 Qd2 Rg8 Bh5 Qe7 Rxg8+ 
                              Kxg8 Bh6 Ng7 Qg2 Rb8 Bxg7 Bxg7 Rxf7 Qxf7 Bxf7+ 
                              Kxf7 
13     +1.70   00:01    4691k Nxb5 e5 Qc4 Bxb5 Qxb5 fxg5 Qb7 Nc7 h4 gxh4 Bh6 
                              Rg8 Rxg8+ Kxg8 Rg1+ Kh8 Bg7+ Kg8 Bxe5+ Bg5 Bxd6 
                              Qxd6 Rxg5+ Kf8 
14     +1.33   00:02   10802k Nxb5 e5 Qc4 Bxb5 Qxb5 fxg5 Bc4 Nf6 Bxg5 Nxe4 Bh6 
                              Bg5 Bxf8 Nd2+ Ka1 Nxf1 Bxf1 Qf6 Bg7+ Qxg7 Qb7 Rg8 
                              h4 f6 Qxg7+ Rxg7 hxg5 Rxg5 
14     +1.70   00:02   11440k Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rb8 h4 Rb7 h5 Rg8 h6 e5 Qd3 
                              Qb8 b3 
15     +1.58   00:03   14969k Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rb8 h4 Rb7 h5 Rg8 Rg2 Rg7 
                              h6 Rg8 Rd2 Qa5 b3 Rg6 Rdd1 
16     +1.58   00:03   20383k Bxb5 Bxb5 Nxb5 a6 Nc3 Rb8 h4 Rb7 h5 Rg8 Rg2 Rg7 
                              h6 Rg8 Rd2 Qa5 b3 Rg6 Rdd1 
16  >  +1.82   00:04   25367k Nd5 e5 gxf6 Nxf6 Nxe7 Qxe7 Qc3 Bxe4 Bg5 b4 Qxb4 
17     +1.94   00:10   53407k Nd5 e5 gxf6 Bxf6 Qd2 Bg7 Bg5 f6 Bh4 a5 Bd3 Rb8 
                              Qg2 Rf7 a3 b4 axb4 axb4 
18     +1.86   00:14   73720k Nd5 e5 gxf6 Bxf6 Qd2 Bg7 Bg5 f6 Bh4 a5 Bd3 Rb8 
                              Qg2 Rf7 h3 b4 Qg4 Qd7 Qg2 f5 Rxf5 Rxf5 exf5 
19  >  +2.14   00:23  122601k Nd5 exd5 exd5 Bd7 gxf6 Bxf6 Rxf6 Qxf6 Qxf6+ Nxf6 
                              Bd4 
20     +1.98   00:39  209392k Nd5 e5 gxf6 Bxf6 Qd2 Bg7 Bg4 Bxd5 exd5 Qe7 Bf5 
                              Rg8 Qf2 Bf6 Rxg8+ Kxg8 Be4 Bh8 Qg3+ Bg7 Rg1 a5 
                              Qh3 
Nodes: 238150218
Nodes/second: 5221447
Best move: Nd5
Ponder move: e5

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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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What does the designation mSD7 stand for (I guess it is a custom build or specific UCI settings, but I am curious)
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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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Dann Corbit wrote:What does the designation mSD7 stand for (I guess it is a custom build or specific UCI settings, but I am curious)
The uci option "Minimum Split Depth" is set to 7, instead of its default value of 4. Testing indicates this yields stronger play when using 8 threads.
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Re: Find: Nd5!!

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swami wrote:[d] r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1

How long does your engine/favorite engine take to find Nd5!
Spark-0.3 with 8 threads takes 77 seconds:

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id name spark-0.3a
id author AJ Siemelink
option name Hash    type spin  default 32 min 1 max 4096
option name Ponder  type check default false
option name SendPv  type check default true
option name Threads         type spin default 1 min 1 max 16
option name UCI_Opponent    type string
option name UCI_EngineAbout type string default spark by AJ Siemelink
uciok
setoption name Hash value 1024
isready
readyok
setoption name Threads value 8
isready
readyok
ucinewgame
isready
readyok
position fen r2qnr1k/p3bp1p/2bppp2/1p4P1/3QP3/2N1B3/PPP1B2P/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1
isready
readyok
go infinite

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info depth 21 seldepth 42 score cp 173 time 77388 nodes 1167691688 nps 15088795 hashfull 126 pv c3d5 e6e5 g5f6 e7f6 d4d3 f6g7 e3d2 c6d5 e4d5 a7a6 d3h3 e5e4 c2c3 d8e7 f1f5 a8b8 g1g4 a6a5 h3e3 e8c7 g4e4 g7e5 e3d3

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info depth 22 seldepth 42 score cp 173 time 104115 nodes 1553517484 nps 14921168 hashfull 126 pv c3d5 e6e5 g5f6 e7f6 d4d3 f6g7 e3d2 c6d5 e4d5 a7a6 d3h3 e5e4 c2c3 d8e7 f1f5 a8b8 g1g4 a6a5 h3e3 e8c7 e2d3 f8e8 d3e4 b5b4