Man vs Machine weak hardware?

[bigo]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

[Milos]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

+150 ELO (or 70%) at least...

Btw. Atom 1.6 is not slow at all, it is as fast as (if not even faster than) P4 at 3.0 GHz.

[Mike S.]

In 1994, Fritz 3 on a Pentium 90 MHz won a blitz tournament ex aequo with Garry Kasparov, who achieved the same score, by 12.5/17 each. The opponents included Anand, Short, Gelfand, Kramnik, Leko...

(Kasparov won the playoff match, including a game where he played 1.e3.)

It was blitz, but also it wasn't Rybka but Fritz 3, and not an Atom 1.6 but a P90, only. So, this is a question I stopped asking ~15 years ago, when the P90 was "outdated" again, as usual with any CPU.

[Thomas Mayer]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

+150 ELO (or 70%) at least...

Btw. Atom 1.6 is not slow at all, it is as fast as (if not even faster than) P4 at 3.0 GHz.

Benchmarks anyone ? Afaik it is compareable to a 1 GHz Centrino ?!

Greets, Thomas

[Milos]

Btw. Atom 1.6 is not slow at all, it is as fast as (if not even faster than) P4 at 3.0 GHz.

Benchmarks anyone ? Afaik it is compareable to a 1 GHz Centrino ?!

Maybe something like this:

I was amazed to see a benchmark of the 901 Atom. Running w/Prime 32M the Atom beat my 3.06GHz P4.
The Atom is a 1.6GHz cpu but according to the article I read it runs overclocked at 1.8GHz when set to performance mode.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark.do

Asus Eee PC 901 (Intel Atom @ 1.8GHz) 111 seconds
My P4 @ 3.06GHz w/915GAG chipset 138 seconds
My other P4 @ 2.4GHz w/SiS651 chipset 155 seconds
Asus Eee PC 900 (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 203 seconds

HP 2133 Mini-Note (Via CV7-M ULV @ 1.6GHz) 168 seconds
Asus Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 630MHz) 289 seconds
Asus Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 200 seconds
Everex CloudBook (VIA C7-M ULV @ 1.2GHz) 248 seconds
Fujitsu U810 Tablet PC (Intel A110 @ 800MHz) 209 seconds
Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (Core Solo U1500 @ 1.33GHz) 124 seconds
Sony VAIO TZ (Core 2 Duo U7600 @ 1.2GHz 76 seconds
The record is 2x Core 2 QX9775 (3.2GHz CPU's @ 5708mhz) 3.45 seconds

This is one of the few benchmarks that show the C7 winning against the 900. But the Atom is the real surprise.

[Uri Blass]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

This is a very strong hardware
I expected something at least 10 times slower to qualify for weak hardware if you want equal chances.

Uri

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

This is a very strong hardware
I expected something at least 10 times slower to qualify for weak hardware if you want equal chances.

Uri

In less than 2 years a chess engine running on iPhone will wipe the floor with the strongest human chess player at any time control....
Dr.D

[alpha123]

Be honest how do you think Rybka 3 32bit would rate against the top 20 strongest humans running on 1.6 atom netbook? Larry K? anyone?

This is a very strong hardware
I expected something at least 10 times slower to qualify for weak hardware if you want equal chances.

Uri

In less than 2 years a chess engine running on iPhone will wipe the floor with the strongest human chess player at any time control....
Dr.D

http://hiarcs.com/Games/Mercosur2009/mercosur09.htm

I expect it wouldn't be much different with an iPhone. Probably even better with an iPad.

Peter

[CRoberson]

Btw. Atom 1.6 is not slow at all, it is as fast as (if not even faster than) P4 at 3.0 GHz.

Benchmarks anyone ? Afaik it is compareable to a 1 GHz Centrino ?!

Maybe something like this:

I was amazed to see a benchmark of the 901 Atom. Running w/Prime 32M the Atom beat my 3.06GHz P4.
The Atom is a 1.6GHz cpu but according to the article I read it runs overclocked at 1.8GHz when set to performance mode.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark.do

Asus Eee PC 901 (Intel Atom @ 1.8GHz) 111 seconds
My P4 @ 3.06GHz w/915GAG chipset 138 seconds
My other P4 @ 2.4GHz w/SiS651 chipset 155 seconds
Asus Eee PC 900 (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 203 seconds

HP 2133 Mini-Note (Via CV7-M ULV @ 1.6GHz) 168 seconds
Asus Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 630MHz) 289 seconds
Asus Eee PC 4G (Intel Celeron M ULV @ 900MHz) 200 seconds
Everex CloudBook (VIA C7-M ULV @ 1.2GHz) 248 seconds
Fujitsu U810 Tablet PC (Intel A110 @ 800MHz) 209 seconds
Sony VAIO VGN-G11XN/B (Core Solo U1500 @ 1.33GHz) 124 seconds
Sony VAIO TZ (Core 2 Duo U7600 @ 1.2GHz 76 seconds
The record is 2x Core 2 QX9775 (3.2GHz CPU's @ 5708mhz) 3.45 seconds

This is one of the few benchmarks that show the C7 winning against the 900. But the Atom is the real surprise.

Prove to me that there exists a correlation between Prime performance and Chess program performance. There is a reason why there are so many different benchmarks. Different programs put different stresses on hardware. Thus, one benchmark may not correlate at all to another. Prime is a poor predictor of general performance.

Here are some real chess benchmarks. The CCRL standard is an AMD 4600+

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 Intel Atom N270    2 x 1600    767 nps  Fritz benchmark 2 procs
 P4 3.2 GHz         1 x 3200   1300 nps
 Amd 4600+          2 x 2400   2685 nps

A single cpu P4 3.2 GHz performs nearly 2 x faster than a 2 proc Atom.

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             Crafty Benchmarks
   CPU                    GHz          Bits                     NPS       Time
Intel Atom N270   1.60GHz   32 bit   2CPU     648171    200.29 
Pentium 4 524 HT  3.06GHz   32 bit   1CPU    1015201    110.09 
AMD 64 X2 4600+   2.40GHz   64 bit   2CPU    4167659    35.94

Here you can see the single CPU P4 at almost 2x the speed of a dual Atom. Also, you see the AMD 4600+ at almost 7x the speed of the Atom.

Another important note is that Crafty gained more speed going from Atom to the AMD 4600+ than Fritz. Even within chess programs there exists differences.

It is clear from the chess program benchmarks that Prime does not correlate with computer chess performance and thus is a poor predictor of chess performance.