next tournament without books

[Togga]

the next important chess engine tournament will be without openings books. ok? or 1-2-3 half move book?

we can start a poll what the people want to have.

[Graham Banks]

I have run tournaments in the past where the participants don't use opening books. They become boring quite quickly. Just my take.
A book limit of 8 moves per side works quite well.
However, it's good to have a variety of tournaments. You're not going to please everybody anyway.

Cheers,
Graham.

[Cubeman]

Was the Hiarcs-Sjeng a 50 move book line, and which one was out of book first?

[Harvey Williamson]

Was the Hiarcs-Sjeng a 50 move book line, and which one was out of book first?

Hiarcs on move 50 sjeng on 52

[Volker Pittlik]

the next important chess engine tournament will be without openings books. ok? or 1-2-3 half move book?

we can start a poll what the people want to have.

I guess those who write the programs wouldn't really care about such a poll.

vp

[Volker Pittlik]

I have run tournaments in the past where the participants don't use opening books. They become boring quite quickly. ...

Playing the wild2 variant (usual set of pieces, shuffled, no castling) can avoid this. However, I tested it at different time controls and the outcome was almost the same as with books.

vp

[Togga]

yes, you are right the games could get boring because the games could repeat in each tourney, so 8 moves book is better.

here a sample:

timecontrol 2m+2sec, no books

• Engine Score Ko Cr Th Sc S-B
  1: Komodo-1.0-32-ja 4.0/6 ·· 1= 10 1= 10,75
  2: Critter_0.52b_32bit 4.0/6 0= ·· =1 11 8,75
  3: Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86 2.5/6 01 =0 ·· == 7,50
  4: Scorpio-2.5-32-ja 1.5/6 0= 00 == ·· 4,50

games later

[Togga]

timecontrol 2m+2s, no books
the games are not bad.


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Scorpio-2.5-32-ja"]
[Black "Critter_0.52b_32bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "C42"]


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Nxe4 4.Nc3 Nxc3 5.dxc3 f6 6.Be3 Qe7 7.Nh4
g6 8.Qf3 Nc6 9.O-O-O Na5 10.Bd3 f5 11.Qd5 Nc6 12.Nf3 Qf7 13.Qb5
Qxa2 14.Bc4 Qa1+ 15.Kd2 Qa5 16.Qxa5 Nxa5 17.Nxe5 Bg7 18.Ra1 Nxc4+
19.Nxc4 d5 20.Na5 Kd7 21.Rhe1 Re8 22.Bg5 Re4 23.f3 Rxe1 24.Rxe1
Bf8 25.Nb3 a5 26.Nc1 Ra6 27.Bf4 g5 28.Be5 Rb6 29.Nd3 Re6 30.Bh8
Rxe1 31.Kxe1 a4 32.Ke2 Ke6 33.f4 g4 34.Be5 Kd7 35.Nb4 c6 36.Nd3
a3 37.bxa3 Bxa3 38.Bb8 Ke6 39.Ba7 Be7 40.Nc5+ Kf7 41.Nd3 Bd8
42.Kd2 Bc7 43.Ne5+ Bxe5 44.fxe5 f4 45.Bb8 Ke6 46.Kd3 b6 47.Kd2
Bd7 48.Ke2 Be8 49.Bc7 b5 50.Bb6 Bg6 51.Bc7 Be4 52.g3 f3+ 53.Kd2
h6 54.Bd6 Kf5 55.Bc7 h5 56.Bd6 Ke6 57.Bb8 Bg6 58.Bc7 Bf5 59.Bd6
Bh7 60.Bb8 Bxc2 61.Ba7 Bb3 62.Bd4 Bc4 63.Ke3 Kf5 64.Kf2 Ba2 65.Ke3
Bb3 66.Kf2 Bc2 67.Ke3 Bd1 68.Kd2 Bb3 69.Ke3 Bc2 70.Kd2 Bb1 71.Ke3
Ba2 72.Kf2 Ke6 73.Ke3 Bb1 74.Kf4 Bc2 75.Bf2 Be4 76.Bd4 Bf5 77.Be3
Bd3 78.Bd4 Bh7 79.Ba7 d4 80.Bxd4 Kd5 81.Be3 c5 82.e6 b4 83.e7
Bg6 84.c4+ Kxc4 85.Ke5 b3 86.Kf6 Be8 87.Kg7 b2 0-1

[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Komodo-1.0-32-ja"]
[Black "Scorpio-2.5-32-ja"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "A07"]

1.g3 e6 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d5 4.O-O Bd6 5.d4 Nc6 6.Nc3 O-O 7.a3
a5 8.Re1 Re8 9.Bg5 Be7 10.e4 dxe4 11.Nxe4 Nxe4 12.Bxe7 Nxe7 13.Rxe4
Bd7 14.Ne5 f6 15.Nxd7 Qxd7 16.Qd3 Ra6 17.Rae1 Rd6 18.c3 Ng6 19.Qe2
f5 20.Re3 c6 21.a4 Qf7 22.f4 Qd7 23.Bf3 b6 24.Qa6 Rb8 25.Qc4
Nf8 26.Re5 Qf7 27.b3 Qd7 28.Qe2 Qf7 29.Re3 Qd7 30.Bg2 b5 31.axb5
cxb5 32.d5 Re8 33.c4 Qa7 34.Kh1 bxc4 35.bxc4 Kh8 36.Re5 a4 37.Rxf5
a3 38.Re5 Rb8 39.c5 Ra6 40.Bf1 Ra5 41.dxe6 Ng6 42.Rd5 Ne7 43.Rd7
Qxc5 44.Qc4 Qxc4 45.Bxc4 Re8 46.Rb1 Ng8 47.Ba2 Nf6 48.Rf7 Raa8
49.Rbb7 Rec8 50.Ra7 h5 51.Rxa8 Rxa8 52.Kg2 Kh7 53.Kf3 Ne8 54.e7
Rc8 55.Rf8 g6 56.Rg8 Ra8 57.Ke3 g5 58.fxg5 h4 59.gxh4 Rc8 60.h5 1-0

[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Critter_0.52b_32bit"]
[Black "Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B01"]

1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bc4 b5 5.Bb3 c6 6.Nf3 cxd5 7.Nc3
e6 8.Qe2 Be7 9.Nxb5 Nc6 10.O-O Qb6 11.Nc3 O-O 12.d3 Bd6 13.Re1
h6 14.Bd2 a6 15.Na4 Qc7 16.Bc3 Qd8 17.Bxf6 Qxf6 18.Nb6 Rad8 19.Nxd7
Rxd7 20.c3 Rb7 21.d4 Rb6 22.Bc2 Rc8 23.Bd3 a5 24.Rab1 a4 25.Qd1
Ra8 26.Bc2 Rba6 27.Qd3 g6 28.c4 Nb4 29.Qe2 Nxa2 30.cxd5 exd5
31.Ra1 Nb4 32.Rxa4 Rxa4 33.Bxa4 Kg7 34.Bc2 Rc8 35.Bb1 Nc6 36.Qd3
Bc7 37.Rd1 Bb6 38.Qa6 Rb8 39.Qa4 Ba7 40.Ba2 Rb4 41.Qa3 Bxd4 42.Bxd5
Bxb2 43.Qe3 Nd4 44.Ba8 Rb3 45.Qd2 h5 46.h3 Nxf3+ 47.Bxf3 Be5
48.Qd5 Rb2 49.Qd3 Qf4 50.g3 Qf6 51.Qe4 Bb8 52.Be2 Ba7 53.Rf1
Bc5 54.Kg2 Rd2 55.Qf3 Qe5 56.Re1 Qb2 57.h4 Bb6 58.Kg1 Rc2 59.Kf1
Bc5 60.Rd1 Qe5 61.Re1 Qd6 62.Kg2 Qd2 63.Kf1 Qd7 64.Kg2 Qd6 65.Rb1
Qe6 66.Re1 Qf6 67.Rb1 Bd4 68.Rd1 Qe5 69.Qd3 Rxe2 70.Qxd4 Qxd4
71.Rxd4 Kf6 72.Kf3 Rc2 73.Ke3 Ke6 1/2-1/2

[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Critter_0.52b_32bit"]
[Black "Komodo-1.0-32-ja"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C40"]


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bd6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.c3 Nf6 6.Nf5 O-O 7.Nxd6
cxd6 8.f3 Re8 9.Be2 d5 10.exd5 Ne7 11.c4 b5 12.cxb5 Nexd5 13.O-O
Qb6+ 14.Rf2 a6 15.a4 axb5 16.Bxb5 Ba6 17.Na3 Nb4 18.Bg5 Nfd5
19.a5 Qg6 20.Bd2 Bxb5 21.Bxb4 Nxb4 22.Nxb5 Nd3 23.Re2 Rxe2 24.Qxe2
Nf4 25.Qd2 Qg5 26.Kh1 Qxb5 27.Qxf4 Rxa5 28.Rc1 g6 29.b4 Qe5 30.Qxe5
Rxe5 31.Kg1 Kg7 32.Kf2 Kf6 33.Rb1 Rb5 34.Ke3 Ke5 35.f4+ Kd5 36.Kd3
Rb8 37.Rb2 d6 38.h3 f5 39.g3 Rb7 40.Rb1 h6 41.Rb2 Ra7 42.Kc3
Re7 43.Rd2+ Kc6 44.Kc4 Re4+ 45.Rd4 d5+ 46.Kc3 Re1 47.h4 Ra1 48.Rd3
Kd6 49.Kc2 h5 50.Kb2 Re1 51.Ka3 Re2 52.Ka4 Rc2 53.Ka5 Ra2+ 54.Kb6
Ra4 55.Rb3 Ra2 56.Kb5 Ra1 57.Rc3 d4 58.Rc5 Ra3 59.Kc4 Rxg3 60.Rd5+
Kc7 61.b5 Rc3+ 62.Kxd4 Rf3 63.Kc5 Rc3+ 64.Kb4 Rh3 65.Rc5+ Kb7
66.Rc6 Rxh4 67.Rxg6 Rxf4+ 68.Kc5 Rf1 69.Rg7+ Kc8 70.b6 f4 71.Rc7+
Kb8 72.Rf7 f3 73.Rf8+ Kb7 74.Rf7+ Kb8 75.Kc6 Rc1+ 76.Kb5 Rb1+
77.Kc5 Rc1+ 78.Kb5 Rc3 79.Kb4 Re3 80.Kc5 h4 81.Rf8+ Kb7 82.Rf7+
Kc8 83.Rf8+ Kb7 84.Rf7+ Ka8 85.Rf8+ Kb7 1/2-1/2


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Scorpio-2.5-32-ja"]
[Black "Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B01"]


1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nxd5 4.d4 Bf5 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 Nc6
7.O-O e6 8.c4 Nf6 9.Qb3 Nxd4 10.Nxd4 Qxd4 11.Qxb7 Rd8 12.Qxc7
Bd6 13.Qc6+ Ke7 14.Nc3 Rc8 15.Qf3 Rxc4 16.Re1 Qg4 17.Qb7+ Rc7
18.Qb5 Qc4 19.Qf5 h6 20.Qa5 Bb4 21.Qe5 Rd8 22.Be3 Nd5 23.Rad1
Bxc3 24.bxc3 f6 25.Qg3 Kf7 26.Qf3 Rcd7 27.Qh5+ Kg8 28.Qg6 Kh8
29.Rd3 Qxa2 30.Rc1 Qa4 31.h3 Nxe3 32.Rxe3 e5 33.Qe4 Qa2 34.Re2
Qa3 35.Rec2 a5 36.Rb1 Qc5 37.Kh2 Kg8 38.Qa4 Qc7 39.Rb5 e4+ 40.g3
e3 41.Qa2+ Kh8 42.fxe3 Rd3 43.Rxa5 Rxe3 44.Rg2 Qxc3 45.Rd5 Rxd5
46.Qxd5 Qc7 47.Qd4 Rc3 48.Qg4 Qc5 49.Rd2 Rc1 50.Qd4 Qxd4 51.Rxd4
Rc2+ 52.Kg1 Kh7 53.Rd7 h5 54.h4 Kh6 55.Rd6 Kg6 56.Rd7 Re2 57.Rb7
Kh6 58.Rb6 Rd2 59.Rc6 Kg6 60.Rc7 Rb2 61.Kf1 Kh6 62.Rc6 Rh2 63.Ra6
Rc2 64.Rb6 Kh7 65.Rb7 Ra2 66.Rd7 Kh6 67.Rd6 Kg6 68.Rd7 Rh2 69.Rc7
Kh7 70.Re7 Kh6 71.Re6 Kg6 72.Re7 Rc2 73.Rb7 Kh7 74.Rb5 g6 75.Rb7+
Kh6 76.Rb6 f5 77.Rb4 Rd2 78.Rb6 Ra2 79.Rb5 Rh2 80.Rb4 Rc2 81.Rb5
Ra2 82.Ke1 Rg2 83.Rb3 f4 84.gxf4 Rh2 85.Rb6 Kg7 86.Rb7+ Kf6 87.Rb6+
Kf5 88.Rb5+ Kxf4 89.Rg5 Rxh4 90.Rxg6 Rh2 91.Rg7 h4 92.Rg8 Ra2
93.Rg7 h3 94.Rh7 h2 95.Kf1 Rc2 96.Rh8 Ke4 97.Rh7 Rb2 98.Rh8 Rd2
99.Rh7 Kf4 100.Rh8 Kg4 101.Rh7 Rc2 102.Rh8 Kf4 103.Rh7 Rb2 1/2-1/2


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Komodo-1.0-32-ja"]
[Black "Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]


1.g3 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 5.Nb3 Bb6 6.a4 a5 7.Bg2
Nf6 8.Na3 d5 9.c4 Be6 10.c5 Ba7 11.Nb5 O-O 12.Bf4 Bb8 13.O-O
Qe7 14.Rc1 h6 15.N3d4 Nxd4 16.Qxd4 c6 17.Bd6 Bxd6 18.Nxd6 Ne8
19.Nxe8 Rfxe8 20.Rfd1 Bf5 21.e3 Qc7 22.Qc3 Re6 23.Rd4 Bg6 24.Bf3
Rae8 25.Rf4 Re5 26.Rd1 f6 27.Rfd4 Bf5 28.Be2 Be4 29.Bd3 Kf7 30.Bxe4
Rxe4 31.Rxe4 Rxe4 32.b3 Rb4 33.Kf1 Qe5 34.Rd4 g5 35.f3 Qf5 36.Kg2
Rxd4 37.exd4 h5 38.h4 Ke6 39.Qe3+ Kd7 40.Kh2 Qc2+ 41.Kh3 Qb1
42.Kg2 Qg6 43.Kh3 g4+ 44.fxg4 Qxg4+ 45.Kh2 Qd1 46.Kg2 Qc2+ 47.Kf3
Qg6 48.Ke2 Qf5 49.Kd2 Qe4 50.Qf2 Ke6 51.Kc3 Qg4 52.Kb2 Qf5 53.Qg2
Qd3 54.Qf2 Kf7 55.Ka2 Qc3 56.Qf5 Qxg3 57.Qd7+ Kg6 58.Qxb7 Qf2+
59.Kb1 Qxh4 60.Qxc6 Qe4+ 61.Ka2 h4 62.Qd7 Qc2+ 63.Ka3 Qc1+ 64.Ka2
Qd2+ 65.Kb1 Qe1+ 66.Kb2 Qf2+ 67.Kc3 Qf3+ 68.Kb2 h3 69.Qe8+ Kg5
70.c6 Qf2+ 71.Ka3 h2 72.Qg8+ Kf4 73.Qxd5 Qg1 74.Qxa5 Qa1+ 75.Kb4
Qxd4+ 76.Kb5 h1Q 77.Qc7+ Qe5+ 78.Qxe5+ Kxe5 79.b4 f5 80.Kb6 Kd6
81.b5 Qg1+ 82.Kb7 Qc5 83.b6 Qxc6+ 84.Ka7 Qd7+ 85.Ka6 Kc5 86.Ka5
Qd6 87.b7 0-1


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Critter_0.52b_32bit"]
[Black "Scorpio-2.5-32-ja"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C42"]


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 Qe7 4.Nf3 Qxe4+ 5.Be2 Bb4 6.a3 Bd6 7.Nc3
Qg4 8.O-O O-O 9.d4 Qh5 10.Nb5 Nc6 11.Re1 Re8 12.Bg5 Ne4 13.Bd3
f5 14.Bc4+ Kf8 15.Qd3 Qg6 16.Bh4 b6 17.Bg3 Rb8 18.Nxc7 Bxc7 19.Bxc7
Rb7 20.Bg3 d6 21.Bd5 Rc7 22.Qc4 Nxg3 23.fxg3 Bd7 24.c3 Rcc8 25.Qa4
Rc7 26.Nh4 Qh5 27.Qc4 Rcc8 28.Qb5 Red8 29.Ba2 Ne7 30.Qb3 g5 31.Nf3
g4 32.Ng5 Re8 33.Ne6+ Bxe6 34.Rxe6 Kg7 35.Qa4 Nc6 36.Rxd6 Re7
37.Rf1 Nb8 38.d5 Qg5 39.Qd4+ Kf7 40.Bb1 Qe3+ 41.Qxe3 Rxe3 42.Bxf5
Ke7 43.Rh6 Rh8 44.Bxg4 Ke8 45.Be6 Nd7 46.Rf7 Re1+ 47.Kf2 Re5
48.g4 Rf8 49.Rhxh7 Rxf7+ 50.Rxf7 Nc5 51.Rxa7 Nxe6 52.dxe6 Rxe6
53.h4 Re4 54.h5 Kf8 55.h6 Kg8 56.g5 Re6 57.Kg3 Rc6 58.Kh4 Kh8
59.Kh5 Rc8 60.h7 1-0


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Scorpio-2.5-32-ja"]
[Black "Komodo-1.0-32-ja"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "C40"]


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Bd6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.O-O O-O 5.d3 Nc6 6.Nc3 a6 7.a4
Bc5 8.Bg5 h6 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 10.Nd5 Qd8 11.Qd2 d6 12.b4 Ba7 13.b5
Ne7 14.bxa6 bxa6 15.Ne3 c6 16.Rab1 d5 17.Ba2 Qd6 18.Qb4 Bc5 19.Qb2
f6 20.c3 Be6 21.d4 exd4 22.cxd4 Ba7 23.Qb4 Qxb4 24.Rxb4 Rab8
25.Rbb1 Rxb1 26.Rxb1 Rb8 27.exd5 cxd5 28.Kf1 Rxb1+ 29.Bxb1 Kf7
30.Ke2 Nc6 31.Ba2 Nb4 32.Bb3 a5 33.h3 f5 34.Nd1 Kf6 35.Nc3 f4
36.Ke1 g5 37.Kd2 h5 38.Nb5 Bb8 39.h4 g4 40.Ne1 g3 41.f3 Bc8 42.Bc2
Kf7 43.Bb3 Bf5 44.Bc2 Bd7 45.Nd3 Bh3 46.Ne1 Be6 47.Nd3 Nxd3 48.Bxd3
Kf6 49.Ke1 Bc8 50.Nc3 Bb7 51.Nb5 Bc6 52.Kd2 Bd7 53.Nc3 Be6 54.Nb5
Bf7 55.Kc2 Be6 56.Kd2 Bc8 57.Nc3 Bb7 58.Nb5 Bc6 59.Kc3 Bd7 60.Kd2
Ke6 61.Bg6 Kf6 62.Bd3 Be8 63.Nc3 Bf7 64.Nb5 Ke6 65.Kd1 Be8 66.Kd2
Bd6 67.Bf5+ Ke7 68.Nxd6 Kxd6 69.Bc2 Bd7 70.Ke1 Bc6 71.Kd2 Bb7
72.Bd3 Bc6 73.Bc2 Be8 1/2-1/2


[Date "2010.02.23"]
[White "Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86"]
[Black "Critter_0.52b_32bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A00"]


1.Nc3 d5 2.e3 Nf6 3.Nf3 e6 4.d4 c5 5.Bb5+ Bd7 6.O-O Bxb5 7.Nxb5
Nc6 8.h3 a6 9.Nc3 Bd6 10.Qe2 O-O 11.a3 Qc7 12.Bd2 Rfd8 13.Rab1
b5 14.Ra1 Qa7 15.dxc5 Qxc5 16.Qd3 Ne5 17.Nxe5 Bxe5 18.f4 Bxc3
19.Bxc3 Ne4 20.Qd4 Qxd4 21.Bxd4 f6 22.Rfd1 Re8 23.Bb6 a5 24.Bd4
Kf7 25.g4 Ra6 26.Rd3 Rc6 27.Rb3 Rxc2 28.Rxb5 Nf2 29.Kg2 a4 30.Rc5
Rxc5 31.Bxc5 Ne4 32.Bd4 Rc8 33.h4 Rc2+ 34.Kh3 Nf2+ 35.Kg3 Ke7
36.Rg1 Ne4+ 37.Kh3 Kd6 38.Rg2 Rc7 39.g5 e5 40.fxe5+ fxe5 41.Bb6
Rb7 42.Ba5 Rb3 43.Re2 d4 44.h5 Kd5 45.g6 hxg6 46.hxg6 d3 47.Rh2
Rb5 48.Be1 Rc5 49.Rg2 Rc2 50.Rg1 Rc1 51.Rf1 d2 52.Bxd2 Rxf1 53.Ba5
Rf3+ 54.Kg2 Rxe3 55.Kf1 Rb3 56.Bd8 Rxb2 57.Ke1 Kd4 58.Kf1 Ke3
59.Kg1 Kf3 60.Bh4 Nf2 61.Bxf2 Rxf2 62.Kh1 Rf1+ 63.Kh2 0-1

[Togga]

• Engine Score Ko Cr Th Sc S-B
  1: Komodo-1.0-32-ja 4.0/6 ·· 1= 10 1= 10,75
  2: Critter_0.52b_32bit 4.0/6 0= ·· =1 11 8,75
  3: Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86 2.5/6 01 =0 ·· == 7,50
  4: Scorpio-2.5-32-ja 1.5/6 0= 00 == ·· 4,50

something wrong here with posting the table.

[Volker Pittlik]

• Engine Score Ko Cr Th Sc S-B
  1: Komodo-1.0-32-ja 4.0/6 ·· 1= 10 1= 10,75
  2: Critter_0.52b_32bit 4.0/6 0= ·· =1 11 8,75
  3: Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86 2.5/6 01 =0 ·· == 7,50
  4: Scorpio-2.5-32-ja 1.5/6 0= 00 == ·· 4,50

something wrong here with posting the table.

Yes. To be more specific with the tag you are using. "Code" does it. And yes you find this and similar answers in the FAQ.

Code: Select all

   Engine                      Score  Ko Cr Th Sc    S-B
1: Komodo-1.0-32-ja            4.0/6  ·· 1= 10 1=   10,75
2: Critter_0.52b_32bit         4.0/6  0= ·· =1 11    8,75
3: Thinker 5.4C WB inert sp 86 2.5/6  01 =0 ·· ==    7,50
4: Scorpio-2.5-32-ja           1.5/6  0= 00 == ··    4,50