most engines do not play ECO code E itself

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most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Togga »

i made some engines matches at timecontrol 1min + 1sec without openings books. most engines did not play the opening code E itself.

why it is so? are most engines based on the same programming and chess technic ?

stockfish 1.6.3 played E20 as black !

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Bd2 without opening book.
  • ECO A = 99 Games (40.2 %)
    ECO B = 39 Games (15.9 %)
    ECO C = 27 Games (11.0 %)
    ECO D = 42 Games (17.1 %)
    ECO E = 2 Games ( 1.0 %)
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Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by LiquidNitrogenOverclocker »

Togga wrote:i made some engines matches at timecontrol 1min + 1sec without openings books. most engines did not play the opening code E itself.
The ECO openings are a human creation, and not a so-called "Normal Distribution Curve" anyway. Were not 25% of all tournament games being played, at one point, Sicilian Defenses?

Bookless computer-computer games will all gravitate towards the heuristics in the opening phase of the evaluation function. At such brief time controls, you are just finding moves that don't lose material within the search horizon that maximize the positional evaluation portion of the evaluator.
Togga

Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Togga »

right there was no engine which played after 1.e4 the move c5 at this timecontrol.

but there are improvements stockfish can play E20. philou can play 1.d4 d5 2.c4
Alaric plays 6....Nxe4

you dont know what can future engines do in 50-100 years.
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Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Christopher Conkie »

Many of the A openings are E from blacks point of view.

For example a KIA can be met by a KID but it will still get classed from A04-A08 (iirc).

Christopher
Togga

Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Togga »

E eco is when white plays pawn C2-C4 early.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_openings

no engine played after 1.e4 the move 1...c5.:(
at this short timecontrol.
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Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Christopher Conkie »

Togga wrote:E eco is when white plays pawn C2-C4 early.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_openings

no engine played after 1.e4 the move 1...c5.:(
at this short timecontrol.
The ECO is not rigid in that way. You can have transpositions. These moves in any order might (note might) get classified as E but sometimes get classified as other openings as white initiates its own opening first. Classification starts at move 1 for white.

See this.

:)

Christopher
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Togga

Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

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yes, right, in any move order, but c2-c4 must be played to be E eco.
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Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Dirt »

Togga wrote:no engine played after 1.e4 the move 1...c5.:(
at this short timecontrol.
A very wise decision by the engines. Playing the Sicilian without being well booked is a recipe for disaster.
Togga

Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

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laugh:) funny
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Re: most engines do not play ECO code E itself

Post by Christopher Conkie »

Togga wrote:yes right in any move order, but c2-c4 must be played to be E eco.
Yes at some point c4 must be in there. We could say that about a Grünfeld Defence as well and that is D. The difference being g6, or is it? You see g6 is a very common move in a KID also.

:)

Christopher