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It is the weakest Topal move, however, even with Nc5 or better f6, it would be difficult to defend after Rc4 and eventually e5, but anyway playing this "waiting" rook move hurt him immediately.AdminX wrote:Topalov should not feel to bad even poor Shredder 12 (2 Cores) falls for it. Hoping Shredder 13 gets better in tactical vision.
Regards Ted
[d]r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1/6P1/1P1Q1PBP/2RR2K1 b - -
Engine: Deep Shredder 12 x64 [2 Cores] (512 MB)
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
18 3:46 +0.25 22...Rad8 23.Ne5 Be8 24.Bh3 Nb8
25.Nec4 N8c6 26.Ra1 Na6 27.Bg4 Nc5
28.Qe3 Rb8 29.Rac1 Rb3 30.Rc3 Rxc3
31.bxc3 Ne7 32.Ne5 f5
If you look at the analysis closer, you will see that the move popped out at 3 mins, and the engine is now taking 20 minutes (very long) to complete the next ply. If you look at the variation, you'll see its playing Nf6+, which also wins (just not as fast).AdminX wrote:Topalov should not feel to bad even poor Shredder 12 (2 Cores) falls for it.
I did look at it. Over 20 minutes is to long for a engine of Shredder's class. Just my 2 cents. I see it's okay for you!Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:If you look at the analysis closer, you will see that the move popped out at 3 mins, and the engine is now taking 20 minutes (very long) to complete the next ply. If you look at the variation, you'll see its playing Nf6+, which also wins (just not as fast).AdminX wrote:Topalov should not feel to bad even poor Shredder 12 (2 Cores) falls for it.
Individual positions don't mean anything so I don't care for them. You will always find some where an engine does great and others where it sucks.AdminX wrote: I did look at it. Over 20 minutes is to long for a engine of Shredder's class. Just my 2 cents. I see it's okay for you!
Any chance for a new Sjeng soon? I just got my tax refundGian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:If you look at the analysis closer, you will see that the move popped out at 3 mins, and the engine is now taking 20 minutes (very long) to complete the next ply. If you look at the variation, you'll see its playing Nf6+, which also wins (just not as fast).AdminX wrote:Topalov should not feel to bad even poor Shredder 12 (2 Cores) falls for it.
AdminX wrote:Topalov should not feel to bad even poor Shredder 12 (2 Cores) falls for it. Hoping Shredder 13 gets better in tactical vision.
Regards Ted
[d]r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1/6P1/1P1Q1PBP/2RR2K1 b - -
Engine: Deep Shredder 12 x64 [2 Cores] (512 MB)
by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
18 3:46 +0.25 22...Rad8 23.Ne5 Be8 24.Bh3 Nb8
25.Nec4 N8c6 26.Ra1 Na6 27.Bg4 Nc5
28.Qe3 Rb8 29.Rac1 Rb3 30.Rc3 Rxc3
31.bxc3 Ne7 32.Ne5 f5
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5: r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1, S: CTF, Anand-Topalov
r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1/6P1/1P1Q1PBP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder 12 x64 4cpu uci:
1. = (0.03/19): 22...f6 23.Qc3 Qe7 24.Qc4 Kh8 25.e5 Bxg2 26.exf6 gxf6 27.Kxg2 Nd5 28.Rxd5 exd5 29.Qxd5 Rad8 30.Rd1 Nb4 31.Qh5
2. = (0.23/19): 22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Bh3 Nb3 25.Qc3 Qd7 26.Ne3 Na2
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5: r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1, S: CTF, Anand-Topalov
r4rk1/q4pp1/n1bNp2p/p7/pn2P1N1/6P1/1P1Q1PBP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 1
Analysis by Shredder 11 x64 4cpu uci:
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb3 24.Rc3 Qxe3 25.Nxe3 Rfd8 26.Kf1
= (0.22) Depth: 6/16 00:00:00 60kN
22...Nc5 23.Qd4 Nb3 24.Qxa7 Rxa7 25.Rc3 f6 26.e5 Bxg2 27.Kxg2 f5
+/= (0.29) Depth: 7/18 00:00:00 145kN
22...Nc5 23.Qd4 Nb3 24.Qxa7 Rxa7 25.Rc3 f6 26.Bh3 Rd8 27.Ne3 Re7 28.Kg2
+/= (0.26) Depth: 8/25 00:00:00 276kN
22...Nc5 23.Qd4 Nb3 24.Qxa7 Rxa7 25.Rc3 f6 26.Bh3 Rd8 27.Ne3 Re7 28.f4 Kf8 29.Kf2
+/= (0.32) Depth: 9/28 00:00:00 392kN
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb7 24.e5 Bxg2 25.Kxg2 Nxd6 26.Qxa7 Rxa7
= (0.21) Depth: 10/27 00:00:00 2050kN
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb7 24.e5 Bxg2 25.Kxg2 Nxd6 26.Qxa7 Rxa7
= (0.21) Depth: 11/35 00:00:01 2493kN
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb7 24.Qxa7 Rxa7 25.Ne5 Nxd6 26.Nxc6 Nxc6 27.Rxc6 Nb5 28.Rb6 Nc7 29.Rd4 Rc8 30.Rxa4 Rd8 31.Ra1 Rd2
= (0.23) Depth: 12/30 00:00:01 3696kN
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb7 24.Qxa7 Rxa7 25.Ne5 Nxd6 26.Nxc6 Nxc6 27.Rxc6 Nb5 28.Rb6 Nc7 29.Rd4 Rc8 30.e5
= (0.19) Depth: 13/35 00:00:04 10494kN
22...Nc5 23.Qe3 Nb7
= (0.16) Depth: 14/43 00:00:12 32328kN
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nb3 25.Qc3 Rad8 26.Rxc6 Nxc6 27.Qxc6 Nd4 28.Rxd4 Qxd4 29.Ndc4 e5 30.Qxa4 Rc8 31.Bh3 Rc5
+/= (0.35) Depth: 15/41 00:00:44 118mN
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Nb6 26.Rc3 Rfd8 27.Qd4 Nc8 28.Qxa7 Rxa7 29.e5 fxe5 30.Bxc6 Nxd6 31.fxe5 Rc7
+/= (0.41) Depth: 16/38 00:00:59 156mN, bb=1
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Nb6 26.Rc3 Rfd8 27.Qd4 Kh7 28.Bh3 Qe7 29.Qc5 Nd7 30.Qc4 Nf8
+/= (0.27) Depth: 17/43 00:01:42 276mN, bb=3
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Nb6 26.Rc3 Rfd8 27.Qd4 Kh7 28.Bh3 Qe7 29.Rc5 Nc8 30.e5 Bf3 31.Bg2 Nxd6 32.exd6
+/= (0.34) Depth: 18/49 00:02:29 406mN, bb=4
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Nb6 26.Rc3 Rfd8 27.Qd4 Kh7 28.Bh3 Qe7 29.Rc5 Nc8 30.e5 Bf3 31.Rd2 fxe5 32.fxe5
+/= (0.30) Depth: 19/47 00:04:23 729mN, bb=4
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Nb6 26.Rc3 Nc8 27.Ndc4 Kh7 28.Qe2 Rb8 29.Qf2 Ne7 30.Nd6 e5 31.Bh3 exf4 32.gxf4 Bd7 33.Bxd7 Qxd7 34.Qg3
+/= (0.31) Depth: 20/53 00:07:38 1282mN, bb=5
22...Nc5 23.Rc4 f6 24.Ne3 Nd7 25.f4 Rfd8 26.Rdc1 Qb6 27.Qd4 Qxd4 28.Rxd4 e5 29.Rdc4 exf4 30.gxf4 Nb8 31.Rd4 Kh7 32.Kf2 Ra7
+/= (0.30) Depth: 21/57 00:16:10 2765mN, bb=69
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2. Rfd8
3.f6
7. Rad8