GM Kaufman v.Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds (Moves 1-40)

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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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pacifist wrote:I don't see the purpose of Bg5 to move the rook to d7 and then after go to d2. This allows blacks rooks to come into play and although maybe they are considered as bests by engines objectively they will not help in the conditions of this game. Maybe idea of Bg5 was to provoque f6 or keep more options and play h4-h5. Also with a rook on d7 Connie will maybe definitely reject b5 move ... Let's see :)
you are the Belgian Fide player?
Bolzoni, Victor-Angel (BEL)?

if so..
excellent attacking game against Carton!..1988

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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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Steve B wrote:
pacifist wrote:I don't see the purpose of Bg5 to move the rook to d7 and then after go to d2. This allows blacks rooks to come into play and although maybe they are considered as bests by engines objectively they will not help in the conditions of this game. Maybe idea of Bg5 was to provoque f6 or keep more options and play h4-h5. Also with a rook on d7 Connie will maybe definitely reject b5 move ... Let's see :)
you are the Belgian Fide player?
Bolzoni, Victor-Angel (BEL)?

if so..
excellent attacking game against Carton!..1988

Steve
Yes, thanks! ;)it was a long time ago :). Where did you see that game? I don't remember it anymore :( megabase?
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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pacifist wrote:
Steve B wrote:
pacifist wrote:I don't see the purpose of Bg5 to move the rook to d7 and then after go to d2. This allows blacks rooks to come into play and although maybe they are considered as bests by engines objectively they will not help in the conditions of this game. Maybe idea of Bg5 was to provoque f6 or keep more options and play h4-h5. Also with a rook on d7 Connie will maybe definitely reject b5 move ... Let's see :)
you are the Belgian Fide player?
Bolzoni, Victor-Angel (BEL)?

if so..
excellent attacking game against Carton!..1988

Steve
Yes, thanks! ;)it was a long time ago :). Where did you see that game? I don't remember it anymore :( megabase?
it won the BEST GAME Prize!

http://www.olimpbase.org/other/mec1988.html

Steve
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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Ah ok, I remember the event but didn't imagine it was so long ago :). Game seems incomplete... All I remember for sure was the pizzas there were delicious :). Thanks for the link ;)
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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Steve B wrote: Connie fortifies her defense of f7 with ....

29..Rd7

[d] r5k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4p1/2qn2B1/2Bp2R1/1Q5P/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 30

Holding the Fort Regards
Steve
I play 30.h4. It has the aim of h5, and also defends the bishop in case the rook needs to go to another file.
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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lkaufman wrote:
Steve B wrote: Connie fortifies her defense of f7 with ....

29..Rd7

[d] r5k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4p1/2qn2B1/2Bp2R1/1Q5P/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 30

Holding the Fort Regards
Steve
I play 30.h4. It has the aim of h5, and also defends the bishop in case the rook needs to go to another file.
I like the idea but found it unsound for days now. If the Connie is inept you may have a chance, if not, Crash & Burn, Good Luck!

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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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lkaufman wrote:
Steve B wrote: Connie fortifies her defense of f7 with ....

29..Rd7

[d] r5k1/p1pr1p1p/1p4p1/2qn2B1/2Bp2R1/1Q5P/P4P1K/8 w - - 0 30

Holding the Fort Regards
Steve
I play 30.h4. It has the aim of h5, and also defends the bishop in case the rook needs to go to another file.
Begins to look more interesting. I think I'd just develop with Re8, but after h5 and such, black can fall into some tactics that might be too deep... So suddenly it is becoming interesting to watch... :)
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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bob wrote:Begins to look more interesting. I think I'd just develop with Re8, but after h5 and such, black can fall into some tactics that might be too deep... So suddenly it is becoming interesting to watch... :)
Go Larry! :P
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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Graham Banks wrote:
bob wrote:Begins to look more interesting. I think I'd just develop with Re8, but after h5 and such, black can fall into some tactics that might be too deep... So suddenly it is becoming interesting to watch... :)
Go Larry! :P
I'm not feeling optimistic. The threat of h5 isn't that great, Black is very flexible here. The Connie needs to play very passively to get into any real trouble.

White is in a heap due to King Weakness, regardless of being a QR down.

The Connie will likely play 30..Re8., but 30..d3!! can create all kinds of havoc for White. Maybe it may consider the passive 30..c6....? No, not too optimistic at all. Still, the Connie has a narrow search, we'll see.
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Re: GM Kaufman v. Novag Constellation 3.6 QR Odds Game

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Terry McCracken wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
bob wrote:Begins to look more interesting. I think I'd just develop with Re8, but after h5 and such, black can fall into some tactics that might be too deep... So suddenly it is becoming interesting to watch... :)
Go Larry! :P
I'm not feeling optimistic. The threat of h5 isn't that great, Black is very flexible here. The Connie needs to play very passively to get into any real trouble.

White is in a heap due to King Weakness, regardless of being a QR down.

The Connie will likely play 30..Re8., but 30..d3!! can create all kinds of havoc for White. Maybe it may consider the passive 30..c6....? No, not too optimistic at all. Still, the Connie has a narrow search, we'll see.
Terry,

I think you are being too pessimistic. All you can see is that black has a good game and white is in trouble. You have said this after every move it seems - and you also keep noticing that whatever white plays can be answered by black. (Previously you said that Larry's move was "unsound", etc.)

But this is a rook odds game and OF COURSE every move Larry makes can be easily answered. It takes very little skill to find good moves for the side that is easily winning or to surmise that black has a good game and it's even a bit annoying.

Bob Hyatt had the right idea. The move h4 was a good one not because it is objectively winning (it loses like every other move Larry has) but it's a good move against a shallow thinking opponent - it gives Larry chances to hope for a blunder or miscalculation which is what odds play is all about.