TCEC announcement: End of project.

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S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
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Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Yet another taker, chastising you for not giving even more.
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Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Normally yes. People put their whole heart with you on this project, all in different ways. Maybe you felt otherwise, so i can't really judge. And now, all their hopes were ruined, of what they were looking forward to, right in the middle.
I thought everyone loved you.
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S.Taylor wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Normally yes. People put their whole heart with you on this project, all in different ways. Maybe you felt otherwise, so i can't really judge. And now, all their hopes were ruined, of what they were looking forward to, right in the middle.
I thought everyone loved you.
Can't you imagine any single important reason in someone's private life that would get undoubtedly a higher priority than some computer chess games run for some computer chess freaks?

Yes, a few words of apology would be the polite way ...

Not words by Martin, though :shock:

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Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Don't take any notice Martin. You've nothing to apologise for.
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Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Here is a thought experiment:

Walk into a room of strangers, say 20 people that you don't know from Adam and give each person 50 dollars for no reason whatsoever. But when you get to the last person, give him only 5 dollars.

What kind of reaction will you get? Does the person who got only 5 dollars feel like he was shortchanged? He was given $5 as a gift with no strings attached and for no reason whatsoever and he feels "cheated?"
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Graham Banks wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Don't take any notice Martin. You've nothing to apologise for.

Not "apologise", as if he owes something. But why be so brazen in way of speaking? But i suppose that's how people are today. But it would be much nicer to say it in a slightly different tone.
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Don wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Here is a thought experiment:

Walk into a room of strangers, say 20 people that you don't know from Adam and give each person 50 dollars for no reason whatsoever. But when you get to the last person, give him only 5 dollars.

What kind of reaction will you get? Does the person who got only 5 dollars feel like he was shortchanged? He was given $5 as a gift with no strings attached and for no reason whatsoever and he feels "cheated?"
This is not an exact comparrison.
If he was told he would be getting $50, and because of that, he waited all day or a whole week, and then was given only $5, and he had much more important things to do, then the person who gave it, if he understood that it was being waited for, might be considered polite if he said, "Terribly sorry, that's all i have left". People today are not educated enough in being considerate of others feelings, even though they might be nice and do nice things.

What about this?
If someone gave you free board and lodging, for a month, and you became very ill with high fever and temperature, on day 20, then the owner said "i give you 5 five minutes to leave". And it's in the middle of a freezing cold night, and you are in a delirium from serious influenza and can not even move. Then what? Should not the owner atleast be a little appologetic, and even give him till day 21 to manage it? Where's the human element?
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S.Taylor wrote:
Graham Banks wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Don't take any notice Martin. You've nothing to apologise for.

Not "apologise", as if he owes something. But why be so brazen in way of speaking? But i suppose that's how people are today. But it would be much nicer to say it in a slightly different tone.
I am at a loss in finding the brazen tone in this message:
Martin Thoresen wrote:I've had lots of great times with the project but now it's time for me to move on.

TCEC has taken up most of my spare time but now other things are
happening in my private life which makes me unable to continue the
project.

I want to thank everyone involved, most notably Paolo Casachi of pgn4web
and Matthias Gemuh of ChessGUI.

As this is a sudden but necessary change of path for me, I will close down
TCEC today which means stage 2a will not be finished nor will season 3.

Thank you to everyone following and I hope you all had a great time.

Best,
Martin
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Re: TCEC announcement: End of project.

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S.Taylor wrote:
Don wrote:
Martin Thoresen wrote:
S.Taylor wrote: I think a few words of apology and regret would also have been the more polite and considerate way to have concluded.
Are you serious?
Here is a thought experiment:

Walk into a room of strangers, say 20 people that you don't know from Adam and give each person 50 dollars for no reason whatsoever. But when you get to the last person, give him only 5 dollars.

What kind of reaction will you get? Does the person who got only 5 dollars feel like he was shortchanged? He was given $5 as a gift with no strings attached and for no reason whatsoever and he feels "cheated?"
This is not an exact comparrison.
If he was told he would be getting $50, and because of that, he waited all day or a whole week, and then was given only $5, and he had much more important things to do, then the person who gave it, if he understood that it was being waited for, might be considered polite if he said, "Terribly sorry, that's all i have left". People today are not educated enough in being considerate of others feelings, even though they might be nice and do nice things.

What about this?
If someone gave you free board and lodging, for a month, and you became very ill with high fever and temperature, on day 20, then the owner said "i give you 5 five minutes to leave". And it's in the middle of a freezing cold night, and you are in a delirium from serious influenza and can not even move. Then what? Should not the owner atleast be a little appologetic, and even give him till day 21 to manage it? Where's the human element?

Here is the "human" element:

Martin created and ran TCEC because it was fun and fulfilling for him. As an offshoot it also gave others pleasure! Now something has come up and he can't do it anymore.

The "human" element would be for you to say "Thanks Martin, I wish you well."

That is the human element!